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David,
   Speaking for Michael an myself, we are doing just great here! Praying
that you are also.  Take care, an GOD bless.  xo Dean
----- Original Message -----
From: Whipps, David <David.Whipps@equitas.co.uk>
To: <mol-cancer@meds.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: [MOL] men v women


> Is there really any difference between men and women (apart from the
obvious
> physical attributes).  I mean, there are nasty women and nasty men, but do
> we just play on the factors of the opposite sex just to make our on side
of
> the team feel better?
>
> I think that God must be a man.  A Woman would never be able to manage the
> power tools needed to build earth!!!!
>
> (sorry I can never keep a serious debate going!!)
>
> How is everyone over the other side of the water?  I went to see the
> millennium dome on Saturday.  It was fantastic.  If anyone wants to see
here
> is the link. http://dome2000.co.uk
>
> You will need to download a viewer to see the dome in 3D.
>
> Hugs
>
> David.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridget Rambeau [mailto:bsbridget@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 21 August 2000 12:53
> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> Subject: Re: FW: FW: [MOL] MISSY CAROL!
>
>
> So you think I sounded serious do you Miss Carol? Actually, I'm just one
of
> those people who get all tingley when I come across a topic that's begging
> for a good debate. By the way, I loved the energy in your response.
> On one point though I think you may have misunderstood me (or vise-versa).
> When I referred to the wife forgiving the husband but not the girlfriend,
> the scenario was that the husband was having an affair with Miss Suzie Cue
> and Miss Good Buddy, the wife's best friend, tells her about the affair.
Is
> this how you had understood it? If the girlfriend had also been the
mistress
>
> then I agree that the betrayal went beyond deep. But if it was me, I'd
> probably feel obligated to forgive either both of them or neither. I think
I
>
> could forgive them but doubt I'd want to continue having an active
> relationship with either. I find it difficult to be friends with people
for
> whom I have no respect. Note: If there were children, however, they would
> become the main concern and I don't know what I'd do in that case. As they
> say, every case is different.
> As for my religious beliefs, they are forever evolving. I feel a
> responsibility to be open to everything but not automatically accepting of
> anything. This includes the religion I was born into. That decision was
made
>
> for me based on other peoples' beliefs. This was fine as a child but as an
> adult I feel I need to find my own way if I am ever to truly embrace it.
> And finally a response to your query about the usefulness of the
> "difference" between men and women. A question for youfirst; considering
> that we're made in God's image, have you ever wondered where our sense of
> humor comes from? or why laughter plays such an important part in our
lives?
>
> My guess is that the "difference" is actually the first practical joke in
> recorded history!
> Had enough yet? Okay, bye then.
> Your (rarely serious) friend,
> Bridget
>
>
> >From: Carol Foulkes <crfoulkes@Juno.com>
> >Reply-To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.comSo you think
> >To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >Subject: Re: FW: FW: [MOL] MISSY CAROL!
> >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:37:43 -0500
> >
> >Miss Bridget,
> >
> > Whew!  Hey, gal, I was only KIDDIN'!  Maybe in poor taste, but
> kidding
> >nonetheless.  Technically, the Bible says there is "no male or female in
> >Christ", so that sort of supports your comment.  (Now, don't ask me where
> >that is in the Bible - I just know it's there, somewhere.)
> >
> > I don't believe that "gender" has anything to do with whether or not
> a
> >heart has been broken (i.e., the "other woman")  There have been "other
> >men" who fall into the same category.  It's all a matter of how the
> >situation relates to that individual, personally.  For every "other
> >woman" or "other man" there are twice as many like you, Miss Bridget, who
> >believe in honor, commitment, fidelity and faithfulness.
> >
> > As for the wife who forgives her husband, but not her best friend -
> I
> >have found it has always been easy to forgive the mate, but a friend?
> >Many people live with their spouses for years and yet are only able to
> >bear their soul and share intimate parts of their life with a friend.
> >When a friend betrays you it sometimes hits more deeply than it did with
> >the spouse.   I have been in this position with someone I was going with
> >many years ago.  I forgave and forgot.  But the friend?  My buddy?  My
> >pal whom I trusted with my life?  It hurt more than anything in the world
> >to be betrayed by this person.  While I was cordial, I could never trust
> >nor truly forgive this person.  They hurt a part of me that was more
> >vulnerable than the person I slept with EVER could.
> >
> > Ah, yes; the old corporate ladder.  Men, being the wonderful
> creatures
> >they are, are taught from childhood to hold their emotions in check.
> >Women, on the other hand, are allowed to let their feelings out.
> >Consequently, women "show" those emotions of resentment and bitterness
> >more readily than men.  It is not to say men don't FEEL those things,
> >they just hide them better than women.
> >
> > Being made in God's image could, I suppose, mean either physical or
> >spiritual.  Since the reference is that God made "man", one would assume
> >he meant Adam, who was a man.  On the other hand, you have a point that
> >created spiritually there very well may be no difference (as we know it).
> >  Setting aside those religions that believe to the contrary (i.e.,
> >Mormons), I doubt we reproduce in heaven, so what need is there in the
> >"difference"?
> >
> > Just my thoughts since you seemed so serious about this.  Only my
> >inadequate opinion for you to throw around.
> >
> >Your friend,
> >Carol in Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:06:53 ADT "Bridget Rambeau"
> ><bsbridget@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > Not to butt in Miss Carol and Miss Lillian but...
> > > To rely on the words of the bible shouldn't you first consider that
> > > it was
> > > both written and interpreted by men. Is it really an accurate
> > > depiction of
> > > how it happened?  And, as much as I hate to admit it, are women
> > > really so
> > > kind and loyal to other women? What about the "other" woman who
> > > dismisses
> > > the female heart she's breaking as unimportant? Or the wife, who
> > > forgives
> > > her husband for his affair but not the best friend who told her
> > > about it?
> > > And how about women in the workplace? As I crawled up the corporate
> > > ladder I
> > > met with considerably more resentment and jealousy from my female
> > > peers than
> > > from my male peers. I suspect others have shared this experience. I
> > > could go
> > > on but I think you get the message.
> > > Instead, what about the concept of God encompassing both
> > > sexes...being both
> > > male and female while at the same time being neither woman or man?
> > > And
> > > perhaps "being made in the image of God" refers to a spiritual image
> > > rather
> > > than a physical one? the image of the soul instead of the body?
> > > Just a few thoughts from your friend,
> > > Bridget
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Carol Foulkes <crfoulkes@Juno.com>
> > > >Reply-To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > > >To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > > >Subject: Re: FW: FW: [MOL] MISSY CAROL!
> > > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:15:55 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Sorry to disappoint you, so okay, Miss Lillian, here goes...
> > > >
> > > > Putting the Bible aside for a moment and not reflecting on
> > > specific
> > > >references that could lead to that conclusion, we must admit that
> > > actions
> > > >speak louder than words.  Since we are made in God's image, (no
> > > doubt
> > > >arms, legs, eyes, etc.) and there's definitely a difference between
> > > men
> > > >and women, we have to look at what takes place in the stories that
> > > have
> > > >been told (in the Bible - guess I have to refer to it after all).
> > > A
> > > >woman is too sensitive to kill - i.e., the flood and Noah and all
> > > those
> > > >poor people who died.  A woman doesn't raise her voice - i.e., the
> > > voices
> > > >that boom out of heaven.  A woman would never raise a dead man -
> > > i.e.,
> > > >Lazarus - because being a man, he was probably better off dead.  A
> > > woman
> > > >would never get angry enough to destroy a whole city and all the
> > > people
> > > >in it - i.e., Sodom and Gommorah(sp?).  A woman would never
> > > consider
> > > >turning a "woman" into salt - a man, maybe, but not a woman - i.e.,
> > > Lot's
> > > >wife.  A woman would never consider punishing another woman by
> > > creating
> > > >pain in childbirth, that's DEFINITELY a man thing - i.e., casting
> > > Adam
> > > >and Eve out of the garden.  And a woman would NEVER have created
> > > Adam
> > > >first, then consider a woman after-the-fact because he was lonely.
> > > Need
> > > >I go on?
> > > >
> > > > Now.  Do you feel better?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:04:40 -0700 "Lillian" <firefly@islc.net>
> > > writes:
> > > > > ROFLOL!  Not quite the in-depth philosophical explanation I had
> > > > > expected...
> > > > > luv u, lillian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We invite you to take a look at our Album.
> > > > > www.angelfire.com/sc/molangels/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > >   ( Very informational, good tips, Molers pictures, art work and
> > > > > much
> > > > > more....
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Carol Foulkes" <crfoulkes@Juno.com>
> > > > > To: <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 5:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: FW: FW: [MOL] MISSY CAROL!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Miss Lillian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because he has a big ego.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carol
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:35:00 -0700 "Lillian"
> > > <firefly@islc.net>
> > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > How do you know God is a man?  I am doing my best to keep
> > > your
> > > > > mind
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > sharp here friend. luv, u, lillian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We invite you to take a look at our Album.
> > > > > > > www.angelfire.com/sc/molangels/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   ( Very informational, good tips, Molers pictures, art work
> > > and
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > more....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Carol Foulkes" <crfoulkes@Juno.com>
> > > > > > > To: <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:45 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: FW: FW: [MOL] ADAM'S STORY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My dear Mr. David,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have no doubt that angels attended your Nan in her last
> > > > > hour.
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > yes, I also believe in an after life.  One must have faith
> > > in
> > > > > > > SOMETHING,
> > > > > > > > or else what is our purpose? Where do angels come from?
> > > Why
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > we here?
> > > > > > > >  Where did we come from? And where is this place we all
> > > > > believe we
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > going?   If we are unable to answer these questions, if we
> > > are
> > > > > > > unable to
> > > > > > > > perceive what is waiting for us, then who is?  It has to
> > > be
> > > > > > > someone
> > > > > > > > greater, better, and more knowledgeable than we poor puny
> > > > > > > creatures.  I
> > > > > > > > have heard of, and seen miracles.  I have personally seen
> > > > > cancer
> > > > > > > wiped
> > > > > > > > clean from the lungs through prayer.  Who answers these
> > > > > prayers?
> > > > > > > Not me.
> > > > > > > >  Certainly not anyone I can call on the telephone.  Then
> > > who?
> > > > > I,
> > > > > > > too,
> > > > > > > > believe there is more to life than pain, suffering and
> > > happy
> > > > > > > times.  And
> > > > > > > > I believe there is someone who has the answers to all
> > > these
> > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > > > He goes by many names, but I know him as God.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mr. David, I do not ask you to believe as I do.  But I do
> > > say
> > > > > > > this, that
> > > > > > > > you are a sensitive and caring man.  Christians are taught
> > > > > that if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > "ask", you'll get answers.  So, why don't you ask?  Not
> > > me.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > you personally know.  But speak to the power you know is
> > > out
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > see what you come up with.  Asking's free and who knows,
> > > you
> > > > > might
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > get an answer, my friend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lovingly,
> > > > > > > > Carol in Memphis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:19:27 +0100 "Whipps, David"
> > > > > > > > <David.Whipps@equitas.co.uk> writes:
> > > > > > > > > Miss Carol
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It sort of hit the spot and reminded me of my nans final
> > > > > days.
> > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > reason, I have been thinking about her more than usual,
> > > as
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > "message" she or someone is trying to get to me.  When
> > > she
> > > > > died,
> > > > > > > > > there was a
> > > > > > > > > lot of spiritual assistance.  It sounds weird writing
> > > this
> > > > > down,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > three days before she died, the room was filled with
> > > more
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > physical presence.  I am a strong believer in afterlife.
> > >  I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > admit
> > > > > > > > > having difficulty in totally believing God, Jesus and
> > > the
> > > > > bible
> > > > > > > (not
> > > > > > > > > wishing
> > > > > > > > > to offend anyone) but do believe there is more than just
> > > the
> > > > > > > pain,
> > > > > > > > > suffering
> > > > > > > > > and happy times here on earth.  It helped me, knowing
> > > that
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > Nan
> > > > > > > > > was going
> > > > > > > > > to meet my granddad again, they were so in love when
> > > they
> > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > together
> > > > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Carol Foulkes [mailto:crfoulkes@Juno.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 August 2000 16:01
> > > > > > > > > To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: FW: [MOL] ADAM'S STORY
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My Dear Mr. David,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is always so nice to know that some men have the
> > > > > > > > > capability of
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > so sensitive that they cry over stories like Adam's.
> > > (Sorry
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > puffy eyes.)  I hope, though, that they were "happy"
> > > tears.
> > > > > > > Happy
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > there's a future beyond what we know, happy that Adam is
> > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > pain, and
> > > > > > > > > happy that he gave so much love away in such a short
> > > time
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > touched so
> > > > > > > > > many lives.  Glad you enjoyed it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Love,
> > > > > > > > > Carol in Memphis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:55:51 +0100 "Whipps, David"
> > > > > > > > > <David.Whipps@equitas.co.uk> writes:
> > > > > > > > > > Miss Carol
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As they say over here in England, I am a soppy date!!!
> > > Any
> > > > > sad
> > > > > > > > > > films, sad
> > > > > > > > > > television programmes, sad stories make me cry.
> > > Well, I
> > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > were saying about this story, and thought, I won't
> > > read it
> > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > (its
> > > > > > > > > > 9:59am
> > > > > > > > > > and I'm at work) I'll save it till later.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Curiosity got the better of me, I started reading,
> > > started
> > > > > > > crying,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and am
> > > > > > > > > > now sitting here in my office waiting for my puffy
> > > eyes to
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > a go to
> > > > > > > > > > a meeting.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > > > > x
> > > > > > > > > >
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