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Dear John,

Thank you my Brother for being you and knowing that I tend to step back
when it comes to e-mail debates and arguments and differences of
opinions, as to me aga in in my opinion, without the benefit of actual
face to face discussion the debate tends to be very limited without the
sincerest and respected and respectful facial expressions and  warm
tones of voice and the demeanor of honorable agreeing to disagree
discussion. Like you, I would love to debate and disagree knowing we can
learn from each other, but to me, again my opinion, it is a fruitless
means without the benefit of face to face and voice to voice methods. I
tend to wind up being the loser, not that I aim to win anything, since
the limitations to those human senses and emotions are left out. The day
will come when you and I can sit down and debate such important matters,
like why the Dodgers will blow the pennant this year, and why Christine
and Marissa has to share the same toys, and why you live on the East
coast and why I live on the west coast, you know those very highly
important matters that need to be debated, LOl.

yes you are right. As you and I and many others here, on this forum and
other cancer discussion forum, we have gone through and continue to go
through so much, that the needless disagreements or debate may not be
useful to many. Certainly that is how I feel and I thank you for your
reply in that matter. I would just rather go on and provide information
or personal suggestions to those souls, as you do, so that they can
receive the most compassion and informative articles for them to make
choices to good health.

Thank you for your kind and wonderful reply, John. Again, you cant
unadopt me, Lol.

God Bless You and for being you.
YOur Brother,
marty

jlehner@nyee.edu wrote:
> 
> Ahhhh DARN!!!! and here I was all ready for a good old Irish donnybrook!!!
> How I do love a good argument.  Used to spend hours in the student lounge at
> college debating the meaning of nothing...if you can define it, is it
> therefore not something?  Talk about mental masturbation ! ;+)  Guess it was
> better that hanging out in the local pool hall! LOL  Just wanted to see if
> you were still awake...I know how laid back you California types
> get!!!...Kidding there bro...if anyone needs to be laid back it is you two
> after all that you have been dealing with.
> As for being shorter than me, just remember the old saying "the bigger they
> are the harder they fall"...and how about Audi Murphy who was awarded the
> Congressional Medal of Honor...no short accomplishment if you ask me.
> Do you have any info on the May 1st get together???  I'm really looking
> forward to it after all these years.
> God Bless.
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Auslander [mailto:fitecancer@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:28 PM
> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> Cc: Lehner, John
> Subject: Re: [MOL] MARTY!-LIL
> 
> Dear John,
> 
> that is not what I am saying. Sorry Bro for the misunderstanding. Pls do
> not read into what I agree with you and Lil on. If you read closer I am
> saying and agreeing that it is all quite confusing. I know little of
> what you are experienced with and will not debate nor argue. So. pls pls
> pls do not read into in defference into anything that is
> agreeing with what you are saying. If you prefer, I will not say
> anything at all. I just voiced an opinion about confusion, not
> regulation. I am not experienced enough as you are to say whether there
> should be or should not be regulations. I am saying that it is a catch
> 22 about things that are and arent and should and should not be. NOw, my
> Brother John, pls do not look for an argument when there is none to be
> had. Pls pls pls.
> 
> God Bless You and see you on the first of May and looking forward to
> that and by the way I will not argue with anyone that is taller than I.
> LOl.
> 
> marty
> jlehner@nyee.edu wrote:
> >
> > Now my dear Brother...let me get this straight...you are saying that by
> > regulating an industry such as the pharmaceutical and vitamin industries,
> > that very regulation leads to misunderstanding and misleads the
> > public???????  I must object.  The problem resides if anywhere in a public
> > that is dedicated to not being educated in anything remotely related to
> > science.  They get sick, go to the doctor, and say cure me.  For the most
> > part, people do not want to understand that supplements are not
> > replacements.  In this fast world of ours no one has the time for facts
> nor
> > understanding.  Only the quick cure and bottom line matter.  It has been
> > long established by the health care system that eating a balanced diet
> rich
> > in vegetables, fruit and fiber is the best way to assure good health (the
> > old paramid).  But this flies in the face of the fast food industry and
> > eating on-the-run!  So lets continue to rock and role in the fast lane and
> > health care will continue to consume even more of our gross national
> > product!
> >
> > Sorry, I'm just a bit tired of the "government conspiracy theory".  No,
> I'm
> > not mad at you we just don't agree on some things.  I just suggest that
> you
> > look to any country where government plays a minimal role in regulating
> > health and safety and I'll show you a developing country facing disease
> and
> > poverty.
> >
> > God Bless.
> >
> > John
> >
> > This should get some going! ;+)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Auslander [mailto:fitecancer@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:56 AM
> > To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOL] MARTY!-LIL
> >
> > LIl,
> >
> > The days of the good old GP (general practioner) are long gone. There
> > old beliefs about Indian therapy was probably more profound and best
> > than todays GP or specialist. Muster plaster and all and muster plaster
> > is still used for Glio Blastoma therapy.
> >
> > I agree that all vitamins or anything, medicinal or otherwise that is
> > canned or bottled should have the ingredients and dosage as an indicator
> > on the bottle. We as human beings should be educated and understand what
> > is going into the product so that we know the risks and values of that
> > product. I am also somewhat reluctant that the government has to place
> > another regulation on something else as it tends to in time limit what
> > the manufacture can provide us. For instance in a typical multi vitamin,
> > it is far  less in strength than what the body needs to fortify us with
> > energy and we as human beings just buy the product because it is called
> > a multi vitamin. It is regulated. So if we dont understand that a
> > typical multi vitamin is far less than what the body needs, then we are
> > somewhat hoaxed because that is what we are led to believe that a multi
> > vitamin fortifies and strengthens the immune system. That is not the
> > case. That is a result of a government regulation on the manufacturer.
> > Thereby limiting our ability to enhance our immune system as a result.
> > And I understand the necessities for that regulation but then again its
> > confusing. Its sort of a catch 22 when more things are regulated, but
> > then again I agree with the T.V. program. We need to be educated more by
> > these programs. Sorry for ranting.
> >
> > And I didnt think you were anti anything, errrrr, other than me, LOL.
> >
> > God Bless YOu,
> > marty
> >
> > Lillian wrote:
> > >
> > > I am in 100% accordance that moderation is the key to success and if we
> > can
> > > take in our nutrients naturally all the better.  They had a big thing on
> > > T.V. last night where the American Diabetic Society (who carries much
> > clout)
> > > wants the usage of vitamins regulated with the daily amount required
> > listed
> > > and Vit. C. to ge dropped in the requirement amount along with Vit. E.
> > >
> > > Confusing, to say the least.  It feels as thought when they started to
> > take
> > > all our "old wives tales away from us", you know muster plaster and so
> > > forth.  Then some of these things came back on market, along with new
> > > things.
> > >
> > > I realize that sometimes I come across as anti alternative; but this is
> > not
> > > fact.  I just have a very questioning mind about everything!  You know
> me,
> > > the devils advocate!  Thanks, love, lillian
> > >
> > > We invite you to take a look at our Album.
> > > www.angelfire.com/sc/molangels/index.html
> > >
> > >   ( Very informational, good tips, Molers pictures, art work and much
> > > more....
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Martin Auslander <fitecancer@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 6:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MOL] Alternative Medicine What's Hot-Zoloft Wrong Drug for
> > > Panic/REPLY TO MARTY/Zoloft
> > >
> > > > Dear Lil,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for this reply. So good to know that there are differences
> of
> > > > professional opinion from the medical world, even though in light of
> > > > this it becomes overwhelmingly  confusing. I guess the key is that
> each
> > > > one of us must research and learn what is  best for us. I think you do
> > > > that very well. As for the vitamin C debate, we have slacked off as we
> > > > learned more about the concerns of acidity in those with cancer and
> that
> > > > abscorbic acid and cancer acidity do not go together. So we have
> slacked
> > > > off on the vitamin C, but not entirely. As for the debate on that,
> like
> > > > any other it becomes confusing, dont you think?
> > > >
> > > > God Bless YOu and thank you again.
> > > > marty
> > > >
> > > > > Lillian wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Marty, thanks so much for this article.  I have been on Zoloft for
> > > > > almost four year's now for panic anxiety.  I hope to see what
> > > > > conventional medicine will be saying about the drug; as I have had
> > > > > very good results from Zoloft.  No side effects either.  After I was
> > > > > hospitalized for the adrenal crisis, I could not even go into a room
> > > > > with people without breaking down in panic and what a scene that is.
> > > > > I often think back on how people would move away from me as I gasped
> > > > > for air and sobbed like a elephant.  It finally became funny to
> watch
> > > > > the people around me!  With adrenal crisis we have no mechanism to
> > > > > handle stress.  Besides the Zoloft; which I swear on, I have learned
> > > > > for the most part on how to tune out stress and if I am some where
> and
> > > > > it gets the least bit stressful, boy do I take a flight!  I can even
> > > > > cry normally now!  LOL!  I hope that there will be more information
> > > > > out regarding this drug; as I have found it to be contrary to the
> > > > > article.  It is good to have articles for comparison sake; so I was
> > > > > most happy to see that you posted it.  Often Zoloft is prescribed
> for
> > > > > people right after a crisis, surgery; etc.  Will this replace our
> Vit.
> > > > > C debate that continues in the news?  Be nice to have a change of
> > > > > subject.  Love ya, lillian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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