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Ahhhh DARN!!!! and here I was all ready for a good old Irish donnybrook!!!
How I do love a good argument.  Used to spend hours in the student lounge at
college debating the meaning of nothing...if you can define it, is it
therefore not something?  Talk about mental masturbation ! ;+)  Guess it was
better that hanging out in the local pool hall! LOL  Just wanted to see if
you were still awake...I know how laid back you California types
get!!!...Kidding there bro...if anyone needs to be laid back it is you two
after all that you have been dealing with.
As for being shorter than me, just remember the old saying "the bigger they
are the harder they fall"...and how about Audi Murphy who was awarded the
Congressional Medal of Honor...no short accomplishment if you ask me.
Do you have any info on the May 1st get together???  I'm really looking
forward to it after all these years. 
God Bless.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Auslander [mailto:fitecancer@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:28 PM
To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
Cc: Lehner, John
Subject: Re: [MOL] MARTY!-LIL


Dear John,

that is not what I am saying. Sorry Bro for the misunderstanding. Pls do
not read into what I agree with you and Lil on. If you read closer I am
saying and agreeing that it is all quite confusing. I know little of
what you are experienced with and will not debate nor argue. So. pls pls
pls do not read into in defference into anything that is 
agreeing with what you are saying. If you prefer, I will not say
anything at all. I just voiced an opinion about confusion, not
regulation. I am not experienced enough as you are to say whether there
should be or should not be regulations. I am saying that it is a catch
22 about things that are and arent and should and should not be. NOw, my
Brother John, pls do not look for an argument when there is none to be
had. Pls pls pls.

God Bless You and see you on the first of May and looking forward to
that and by the way I will not argue with anyone that is taller than I.
LOl.

marty
jlehner@nyee.edu wrote:
> 
> Now my dear Brother...let me get this straight...you are saying that by
> regulating an industry such as the pharmaceutical and vitamin industries,
> that very regulation leads to misunderstanding and misleads the
> public???????  I must object.  The problem resides if anywhere in a public
> that is dedicated to not being educated in anything remotely related to
> science.  They get sick, go to the doctor, and say cure me.  For the most
> part, people do not want to understand that supplements are not
> replacements.  In this fast world of ours no one has the time for facts
nor
> understanding.  Only the quick cure and bottom line matter.  It has been
> long established by the health care system that eating a balanced diet
rich
> in vegetables, fruit and fiber is the best way to assure good health (the
> old paramid).  But this flies in the face of the fast food industry and
> eating on-the-run!  So lets continue to rock and role in the fast lane and
> health care will continue to consume even more of our gross national
> product!
> 
> Sorry, I'm just a bit tired of the "government conspiracy theory".  No,
I'm
> not mad at you we just don't agree on some things.  I just suggest that
you
> look to any country where government plays a minimal role in regulating
> health and safety and I'll show you a developing country facing disease
and
> poverty.
> 
> God Bless.
> 
> John
> 
> This should get some going! ;+)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Auslander [mailto:fitecancer@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:56 AM
> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> Subject: Re: [MOL] MARTY!-LIL
> 
> LIl,
> 
> The days of the good old GP (general practioner) are long gone. There
> old beliefs about Indian therapy was probably more profound and best
> than todays GP or specialist. Muster plaster and all and muster plaster
> is still used for Glio Blastoma therapy.
> 
> I agree that all vitamins or anything, medicinal or otherwise that is
> canned or bottled should have the ingredients and dosage as an indicator
> on the bottle. We as human beings should be educated and understand what
> is going into the product so that we know the risks and values of that
> product. I am also somewhat reluctant that the government has to place
> another regulation on something else as it tends to in time limit what
> the manufacture can provide us. For instance in a typical multi vitamin,
> it is far  less in strength than what the body needs to fortify us with
> energy and we as human beings just buy the product because it is called
> a multi vitamin. It is regulated. So if we dont understand that a
> typical multi vitamin is far less than what the body needs, then we are
> somewhat hoaxed because that is what we are led to believe that a multi
> vitamin fortifies and strengthens the immune system. That is not the
> case. That is a result of a government regulation on the manufacturer.
> Thereby limiting our ability to enhance our immune system as a result.
> And I understand the necessities for that regulation but then again its
> confusing. Its sort of a catch 22 when more things are regulated, but
> then again I agree with the T.V. program. We need to be educated more by
> these programs. Sorry for ranting.
> 
> And I didnt think you were anti anything, errrrr, other than me, LOL.
> 
> God Bless YOu,
> marty
> 
> Lillian wrote:
> >
> > I am in 100% accordance that moderation is the key to success and if we
> can
> > take in our nutrients naturally all the better.  They had a big thing on
> > T.V. last night where the American Diabetic Society (who carries much
> clout)
> > wants the usage of vitamins regulated with the daily amount required
> listed
> > and Vit. C. to ge dropped in the requirement amount along with Vit. E.
> >
> > Confusing, to say the least.  It feels as thought when they started to
> take
> > all our "old wives tales away from us", you know muster plaster and so
> > forth.  Then some of these things came back on market, along with new
> > things.
> >
> > I realize that sometimes I come across as anti alternative; but this is
> not
> > fact.  I just have a very questioning mind about everything!  You know
me,
> > the devils advocate!  Thanks, love, lillian
> >
> > We invite you to take a look at our Album.
> > www.angelfire.com/sc/molangels/index.html
> >
> >   ( Very informational, good tips, Molers pictures, art work and much
> > more....
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Martin Auslander <fitecancer@earthlink.net>
> > To: <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 6:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MOL] Alternative Medicine What's Hot-Zoloft Wrong Drug for
> > Panic/REPLY TO MARTY/Zoloft
> >
> > > Dear Lil,
> > >
> > > Thank you for this reply. So good to know that there are differences
of
> > > professional opinion from the medical world, even though in light of
> > > this it becomes overwhelmingly  confusing. I guess the key is that
each
> > > one of us must research and learn what is  best for us. I think you do
> > > that very well. As for the vitamin C debate, we have slacked off as we
> > > learned more about the concerns of acidity in those with cancer and
that
> > > abscorbic acid and cancer acidity do not go together. So we have
slacked
> > > off on the vitamin C, but not entirely. As for the debate on that,
like
> > > any other it becomes confusing, dont you think?
> > >
> > > God Bless YOu and thank you again.
> > > marty
> > >
> > > > Lillian wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marty, thanks so much for this article.  I have been on Zoloft for
> > > > almost four year's now for panic anxiety.  I hope to see what
> > > > conventional medicine will be saying about the drug; as I have had
> > > > very good results from Zoloft.  No side effects either.  After I was
> > > > hospitalized for the adrenal crisis, I could not even go into a room
> > > > with people without breaking down in panic and what a scene that is.
> > > > I often think back on how people would move away from me as I gasped
> > > > for air and sobbed like a elephant.  It finally became funny to
watch
> > > > the people around me!  With adrenal crisis we have no mechanism to
> > > > handle stress.  Besides the Zoloft; which I swear on, I have learned
> > > > for the most part on how to tune out stress and if I am some where
and
> > > > it gets the least bit stressful, boy do I take a flight!  I can even
> > > > cry normally now!  LOL!  I hope that there will be more information
> > > > out regarding this drug; as I have found it to be contrary to the
> > > > article.  It is good to have articles for comparison sake; so I was
> > > > most happy to see that you posted it.  Often Zoloft is prescribed
for
> > > > people right after a crisis, surgery; etc.  Will this replace our
Vit.
> > > > C debate that continues in the news?  Be nice to have a change of
> > > > subject.  Love ya, lillian
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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