Marty, just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy when you post. You are a
diplomat & very much a gentlemen.
Dusti
> ----------
> From: Martin Auslander[SMTP:fitecancer@earthlink.net]
> Reply To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:21 AM
> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> Cc: Jeanne/James Kissinger; Lil Jennings
> Subject: Re: [MOL] Vit C and iron in hemachromatosis
>
> DEar All,
>
> May I just for a moment butt my two cents in here about Vitamin C.
> Generally there are two sides to each report and story. May I suggest to
> hear the Vitamin C side of the story is to log on to the Vitamin C
> foundation website as they will also provide you with a toll free phone
> number that may rebuttal or help unconfuse the issue of whether vitamin
> C supplements are beneficial for those with cancer. I am seeing both
> sides of the issues and I am becoming overwhelmed as each of you are.
>
> One more thing to keep as a reminder. The issue is with anti-oxidants or
> Vitamin C and Vitamin E as SUPPLEMENTS, not as the basis of nutrition
> essentials. No one or no Doctor refutes the significance or benefits of
> Vitamin C and/or E and Iron in its natural state. For instance those
> vitamins contained in the basic nutrients.....Oranges, melons, yams,
> green leafy vegetables, etc, etc. These basic nutrients are found by all
> physicians and scientists to be the healthiest and even when supplements
> are not taken, when these basic nutrients are the tend to replenish and
> support the immune system with the vitality it requires. Now, if one
> believes that taking a supplement will help fortify that basic nutrient,
> then one must judge for themselves and by hearing both sides of the
> story from the scientists who refute the claims of benefit and the
> Vitamin C and E foundations that support their many years of findings.
> But pls do not confuse supplements with basic nutrients which do fight
> cancer and/or prevent cancer.
>
> HOpe this is informative and not argumentative. I wish not to be that at
> all. I say this with the research I have accumulated over the years and
> currently. I am not a scientist, but one of you who longs for the day
> when there is no more cancer.
>
> God Bless You All,
> marty auslander
>
> Jeanne Kissinger wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Lil, I would appreciate seeing the pages where cancer feeds off
> > iron! I know that people with iron overload metabolism do not process
> > iron properly and this process is slow but eventually affects every cell
> > in the body. This metabolic abnormality does not apply to normal people
> > though. So still stick with my own opinion that normal people should
> > toss out their vit C yet or avoid iron. God bless, Jeanne
> > Lillian wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeanne: Even an anemic person can have iron overload. The iron
> settles
> > > into organs such as the liver and yes can cause cancer in particular
> the
> > > liver. Cancer feeds off of iron.according to the hundreds of pages I
> have
> > > collected. The body has it's way of keeping the amount of iron that
> is
> > > needed and eliminating what is not needed, if this is not working
> properly
> > > then it collects into various organs causing severe damage. Keep in
> mind
> > > that just about all foods that are not fresh have iron supplements in
> them
> > > and even our natural products have iron.
> > >
> > > I regret that many practitioners who are treating someone who is
> anemic does
> > > prescribe iron without doing the iron overload testing. The problem
> with
> > > iron overloading is that we don't normally have symptoms until the
> damage is
> > > being done. The testing is inexpensive; yet rarely provided without
> asking
> > > for it.
> > >
> > > I have many sites that I could send the URL's to that would help
> everyone
> > > understand this and perhaps it may be wise to do so. I will also try
> to get
> > > my Vit. C. contact to again give us the scope. Thanks, love ya,
> lillian
> > >
> > > > Hi, Lillian, I don't think any responsible health practitioner
> advises
> > > > any iron supplements these days. Iron does not cause cancer is my
> belief
> > > > and we do need the stuff to make hemoglobin. Iron is poorly
> assimilated
> > > > without the help of vitamin C. In addition, Vitamin C does not feed
> > > > cancer but it is an anti-oxidant that helps keep cancer at bay.
> > > > I would not advice anyone to do this until they are definitely
> tested as
> > > > having iron overload disease. I agree with June, I wish we could
> get to
> > > the bottom of vit. C.
> > > >
> > > > As Marty says, my opinion only. God Bless, Jeanne
> > > >
> > > > > Lillian wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tonight as I researched for information for our fellow Molers, I
> got
> > > > > side tracked and researched "hemochromatosis", it has recently
> been
> > > > > discovered that our littlest grand daughter has this.
> > > > > Now, you ask, what does this have to do with cancer? I have
> included
> > > > > the material needed for you to understand all of this.
> > > > > Hemochromatosis is a recessive gene, iron overload is what it
> > > > > creates. There are some 32 million Americans with this; so
> definitely
> > > > > common; yet few know they have it. One must ask for specific
> tests to
> > > > > find it. However; the damage it does is unreal and here is the
> > > > > corker! Cancer feeds off of iron! Yes friends, and don't we all
> try
> > > > > to push those iron supplements into us? The advice given to
> control
> > > > > iron overload is not to take Vitamin C, not to take iron
> supplements
> > > > > and to eat very little meat. Please, do yourself a favor and get
> > > > > tested. Your friend, lillian
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > > People diagnosed with iron disorders, their family members and
> loved
> > > > > ones share a common ground: the need to better understand the
> > > > > complexities of iron.
> > > > >
> > > > > Highly regarded organizations dedicated to health concerns,
> Centers
> > > > > for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), The National Institutes
> of
> > > > > Health (NIH) and the American Medical Association (AMA), all
> confirm
> > > > > that hemochromatosis/iron overload is emerging as one of the most
> > > > > important medical issues today.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the AMA's published Resolution 525, hemochromatosis
> (iron
> > > > > overload) a condition of abnormal metabolism of iron, is one of
> the
> > > > > most common genetic disorders in the Northern Hemisphere affecting
> > > > > more than a million Americans or one in two hundred who carry the
> > > > > double gene mutation and may affect as many as 32 million
> Americans
> > > > > who have the single gene mutation.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CDC, NIH and AMA clearly state that excess iron, left
> untreated,
> > > > > can lead to disease such as arthritis, heart attack, diabetes,
> > > > > impotence, depression, liver disease and cancer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fact Sheet
> > > > > 1. Undetected and untreated excess iron kills after inflicting
> > > > > injury to a variety of body organs.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. The patient's and physician's concern must be to detect any
> > > > > excess iron instead of establishing
> > > > > a diagnosis of hemochromatosis.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. A complete physical must include: Total Iron Binding Capacity
> > > > > (TIBC) and Serum Iron (SI).
> > > > > Divide the SI by TIBC for percentage of Transferrin Saturation TS.
> > > > > Normal range: 12-45%.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. If TS is outside normal range, use the same blood to measure
> > > > > Serum Ferritin (SF). Normal range: 5-150. If an individual is
> > > > > outside the normal range on Serum Ferritin, a phlebotomy
> > > > > program should be started to bring the SF below 10. Ferritin is
> the
> > > > > closest measure of stored iron.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. To reduce elevated iron levels, the patient should be given a
> > > > > prescription for weekly or twice weekly bloodlettings at a blood
> bank
> > > > > to confirm or rule out iron overload. The hematocrit cutoff
> should be
> > > > > set between 30-35. Anemic patients might benefit from B complex
> > > > > vitamins with folic acid.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6. A liver biopsy is not necessary to confirm diagnosis.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. If iron tests low, the cause should be found: the bleeding
> ulcer,
> > > > > cancer, or chronic infection. It is dangerous to medicate with
> iron
> > > > > without 1. testing iron and 2. knowing the reason for the
> deficiency.
> > > > >
> > > > > 8. In the matter of DNA testing, we are not recommending this
> > > > > approach. All of the genes that can cause an overload are not yet
> > > > > discovered - about 15% yet outstanding. Jerome Sullivan MD PhD
> > > > > explains that possession of the gene " will confirm but will not
> > > > > exclude the diagnosis. "
> > > > >
> > > > > 9. Diagnosis not followed by vigorous treatment is useless. The
> > > > > patient must be motivated to unload the iron as fast as possible
> by
> > > > > weekly or twice weekly phlebotomies at the blood bank. Goal:
> ferritin
> > > > > below 10 or even 0.
> > > > >
> > > > > 10. All blood relatives of the patient must be evaluated and
> > > > > monitored. They should all be checked for iron overload at each
> and
> > > > > every physical for the rest of their lives.
> > > > >
> > > > > 11. Iron overload cannot be controlled with diet. High iron
> foods
> > > > > also contain other nutrients needed to repair body damage. We do
> not
> > > > > recommend a low iron diet. Caution: avoid over-the-counter
> vitamin C
> > > > > and additives of such. Avoid raw seafood, which kills a number of
> > > > > people every year, mostly those whose excess iron is undetected.
> > > > >
> > > > > 12. Symptoms vary too much to help with diagnosis. Chronic
> fatigue,
> > > > > arthritis, heart disease, cirrhosis, cancer, diabetes, thyroid
> > > > > disease, impotence, sterility. In other words excess iron is
> toxic
> > > > > and can injure every part of the body, including the brain.
> Elevated
> > > > > liver enzymes must not be ignored. Anemia can be a symptom. Some
> > > > > anemias are iron-loading. Hemoglobin level does not indicate iron
> > > > > status.
> > > > >
> > > > > 13. Excess iron lowers the immune system. Many diseases will
> show a
> > > > > poor outcome unless excess iron is removed: AIDS, cancer, and
> > > > > hepatitis, for example.
> > > > >
> > > > > 14. Iron does cross the blood brain barrier, contrary to an old
> > > > > belief. Excess iron stored in the brain has been found to trigger
> or
> > > > > exacerbate severity in Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, ALS,
> > > > > Parkinson's and other diseases. Psychological problems have even
> been
> > > > > linked to excess iron.
> > > > >
> > > > > 15. Hereditary hemochromatosis is only one of several iron
> loading
> > > > > diseases. But its double gene frequency alone is 1 in 200 and 13%
> of
> > > > > the US population have the single gene expression.. It is the
> most
> > > > > common genetic disease, and tragically the most undiagnosed.
> > > > >
> > > > > 16. The goal of medicine is to provide maximum preventative care
> at
> > > > > the least expense. Patients must be aware of iron overload for
> their
> > > > > own protection. IOD honors the increasing number of physicians
> who
> > > > > are updating their information on iron overload.
> > > > >
> > > > > IOD
> > > > > 433 Westwind Drive
> > > > > North Palm Beach FL 33408-5123 561-840-8512 fax
> > > > > 561-842-9881
> > > > > iod@ironoverload.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hemochromatosis is a disorder in which the body
> absorbs
> > > > > too much iron from food. Normally, any iron that
> the
> > > > > body doesn't need is excreted. But in
> hemochromatosis,
> > > > > the excess iron is stored throughout the body,
> > > > > including in the pancreas, liver, and skin. The
> iron
> > > > > deposits damage these organs and tissues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hemochromatosis is a hereditary disease and is
> > > > > sometimes called hereditary hemochromatosis, or
> HHC.
> > > > > Symptoms include fatigue, abdominal pain, jaundice
> > > > > (yellowing of skin and eyes), and a change in skin
> > > > > color to bronze or gray. Over time, hemochromatosis
> can
> > > > > cause liver disease, liver failure, liver cancer,
> heart
> > > > > disease, and diabetes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hemochromatosis is diagnosed through blood tests
> that
> > > > > measure iron levels. Sometimes a liver biopsy is
> done
> > > > > to check for the amount of iron in the liver and
> for
> > > > > liver damage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hemochromatosis is treated by drawing blood to
> remove
> > > > > excess iron from the body and keep it from building
> up
> > > > > in organs. For the first 18 months, blood is drawn
> once
> > > > > or twice a week. After that, blood is drawn once
> every
> > > > > 2 to 6 months for the rest of the person's life.
> > > > >
> > > > > Information is also available from:
> > > > >
> > > > > American Liver Foundation, 1425 Pompton Avenue,
> Cedar
> > > > > Grove, NJ 07009; tel: (800) 223-0179 or (201)
> 256-2550.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hemochromatosis Foundation Inc., P.O. Box 8569,
> Albany,
> > > > > NY 12208; tel: (518) 489-0972.
> > > > >
> > > > > Iron Overload Diseases Association Inc., 433
> Westwind
> > > > > Drive, N. Palm Beach, FL 33408; tel: (407)
> 840-8512.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additional Information from the Combined Health
> > > > > Information Database (CHID)
> > > > >
> > > > > The National Digestive Digestive Diseases
> Information
> > > > > Clearinghouse collects resource information on
> > > > > digestive diseases for CHID. CHID is a database
> > > > > produced by health-related agencies of the Federal
> > > > > Government. This database provides titles,
> abstracts,
> > > > > and availability information for health information
> and
> > > > > health education resources.
> > > > >
> > > > > To provide you with the most up-to-date resources,
> > > > > information specialists at the clearinghouse
> created an
> > > > > automatic search of CHID. To obtain this
> information
> > > > > you may access the CHID Online web site at
> > > > > http://chid.nih.gov.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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