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Have a lot of good nights Ryan.  No matter what happens your Dad has to
be so proud of you.

Your friend June

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ryan LaMontagne [SMTP:ryan@cranberrytrail.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 08, 1999 10:48 PM
> To:	mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> Subject:	RE: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin/reply/second reply!
> 
> thanks june......brought tears to my eyes.  if you read the other
> replies i
> sent earlier the news could have been better today, but it just wasn't
> meant
> to be one of those good days.  it seems like evey day is so different.
> tonight was weird.  i spent some time alone with my dad while my mom
> talked
> to friends in the hall at the hospital.  he has three going out of him
> and
> two bags going in.   he took a spung bath and i cleaned his room, i.e.
> made
> his bed, got him fresh towels, sheets, & got him some fresh water.
> then i
> helped him back into bed and get comfortable and while i was doing
> this, i
> think for the first time in my life, i realized how beautiful he
> looked no
> matter how many bags and tubes were hanging out.  i smiled at the time
> and
> he looked at me and said "i never thought it would be your turn."  he
> went
> in last friday on his birthday.  his presents are still here waiting
> for
> him.  i got him a blower/vac for the yard.  he keeps asking me if i
> used it
> yet.  i want to but i'm waiting for him.  saturdays mornings we
> usually race
> for the lawnmower because we both like to do yard work.  he really
> wants to
> come home and use the blower/vac (it sucks-up leaves and shreads them)
> our
> yard is covered with leaves.  i hope he'll get to use it soon.  thats
> for
> listening. it really feels good.  good-night!
> 
> ryan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> [mailto:owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com]On Behalf Of Argila, June
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:49 PM
> To: 'mol-cancer@lists.meds.com'
> Subject: RE: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin/reply/second reply!
> 
> 
> Hi Blonde Ryan:  So as not to mix you up with my brown haired
> grandson,
> I am so happy to hear you sounding better.  A puppy will be a great
> help
> to your dad when he gets home.  I know I wanted one so bad but can't
> have animals where I live right now.  I don't have the same kind of
> cancer as your dad but I wanted to say he's lucky to have you as a
> son.
> 
> Your friend June A.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Ryan LaMontagne [SMTP:ryan@cranberrytrail.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, November 08, 1999 11:10 AM
> > To:	mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > Subject:	RE: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin/reply/second reply!
> >
> > to all who responded thank you for your concern.  i took today off
> > from work
> > to try and get some school work done.  my dad has a meeting with the
> > doctors
> > today.  they might go in and take his bladder out thursday and give
> > him
> > chemo tomorrow.  that is a tentative game plan as of this morning.
> i
> > just
> > have to take it slow and be strong. if there are somemany people on
> > here
> > that deal with this and remain strong, as hard as it is, i can do it
> > too,
> > with you all.  on the positive note, my dad called me this moring
> all
> > excited because he went to the bathroom (#2). he was laughing and
> > relieved....literally!  he asked me to sneak our puppy into the
> > hospital so
> > he could see her.  (If i do it has to be when my mom isn't there).
> > thanks
> > for the support. its will be a long road. i'll keep you updated.
> this
> > feels
> > good to have a place to go to and say what i want.  bye the
> > way.....Liliian......i'm blonde!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > [mailto:owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com]On Behalf Of Lillian
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:52 AM
> > To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin/reply/second reply!
> > Importance: High
> >
> >
> > Ryan!  Venting is very healthy; so that is a positive step you have
> > taken
> > and we certainly relate and understand the emotional aspects of
> > cancer.
> > Sometimes when we are really hurting we need time to ourselves to
> > think
> > things out.  Each of us reacts differently to situations and there
> is
> > no
> > wrong way.  You will need to find a way to take that time for
> yourself
> > away
> > from the situation.  It might help to go to a library or a park and
> > sit on a
> > swing and just think it all out.
> >
> > What concerns me is that it appears everyone is thinking your Dad is
> > going
> > to die.  Now he just may feel like that right now; but cancer is an
> > unbelievable roller coaster ride.  Today there are more people
> living
> > with
> > cancer than dying; so it is important for your father and his family
> > to
> > maintain hope.  The mind is a healer in itself.  I just recently
> read
> > whereby if we are under stress and have cancer we cause the cells to
> > divide
> > even faster.  Whatever it takes to destress yourselves is very
> > important.
> > Guided immargy, soft music, meditation are all useful tools in
> > reducing
> > stress.  It would be very helpful if you could get your Dad and Mom
> to
> > go to
> > a support group.  Most hospitals have a support group connected with
> > them or
> > the local American Cancer Society has a support group.
> >
> > I am including a site for you to go to.  It list the books by Dr.
> > Bernie
> > Siegler and his books are excellent.  Perhaps you could get these
> from
> > the
> > library and everyone read them?
> >
> > I wanted to share with you something.  My brother had cancer
> > throughout his
> > lymph nodes.  We all just figured it was it for him; but would you
> > believe
> > he is still with us 10 year's later?  So you see, there are many on
> > this
> > forum who will tell you the doctor sent them home to die and they
> are
> > still
> > here for us to enjoy.  Kathy is one and I don't know what I would do
> > without
> > her heckling me!
> >
> > Hope what I have said has helped you some; just keep right on
> talking
> > and
> > tomorrow you will be hearing from other Molers who will help you.
> > Your
> > friend, lillian
> > http://www.peoplesuccess.com/siegel.htm
> > Warmly, lillian
> >
> > We invite you to take a look at our Album.
> > www.angelfire.com/sc/molangels/index.html
> >
> >   ( Very informational, good tips, Molers pictures, art work and
> much
> > more....
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ryan LaMontagne <ryan@cranberrytrail.com>
> > To: <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 5:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin/reply
> >
> >
> > > Lillian & Other MOL members,
> > > Thank you very much for your information.  I think this list is
> > something
> > I
> > > need right now.  Just a little background on myself and situation:
> > I am a
> > > 24 year old, working fulltime and taking classes towards my MBA.
> I
> > found
> > > out on 9/30/99 my dad has bladder cancer.  I have a very close
> > family.
> > Two
> > > sisters(older) and an older brother who is handicap and lives in a
> > group
> > > home.  My dad went in the hospital Friday because both his
> kidney's
> > failed.
> > > This was due to him not going the bathroom in two days.
> Everything
> > was
> > > backed up.  To sum things up, he went into surgery Sat morning to
> > fix his
> > > kidney's.  1st surgery did not work so the doctor had to go in
> again
> > and
> > > after hours at the hospital they were able to gets his fluids
> moving
> > again,
> > > but found many limph nodes in his back and stomach.  We were told
> > the
> > cancer
> > > was contained within his bladder.  Apparently it has spread now.
> I
> > hate
> > > seeing my mother upset.  she is my God!!!  all the crying and
> > worrying is
> > > taking a toll on me.  We(the family) have kept this quiet between
> my
> > dad's
> > > brothers and sisters and his mom.  this weekend everything came
> out.
> > I
> > wish
> > > I knew how to deal with this.  Both my sisters are married and
> have
> > a
> > close
> > > someone to cry to and talk to.  I have close friends, but venting
> on
> > here
> > > seems to feel good!  Now I have to worry about work and finishing
> > this
> > > semester at school.  I work ten hours days and come home to my mom
> > crying
> > or
> > > people all over the house bringing food and all that other crap.
> > Sometimes
> > > I just want to be alone.  I feel like telling everyone to get out
> > and
> > leave
> > > us alone, but I can't.  Is this normal to feel this way?  I don't
> > have any
> > > regrets.  I told my dad I love him.  We have grown really close
> over
> > the
> > > years and we were starting to really become good friends and now
> > this
> > > happens. It happen so quick.  I'm scared, upset, and worried, but
> > not mad
> > at
> > > him or God.  God can promise forgiveness, but he can't promise
> > tomorrow. I
> > > have to relax, let go, forgive, and live on.  Its easier said than
> > done.
> > > Sorry for the long msg, but man this feels good.  Thank you all
> for
> > > listening.
> > >
> > > Warm Regards,
> > >
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > > [mailto:owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com]On Behalf Of Lillian
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 7:00 PM
> > > To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> > > Subject: Re: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin/reply
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ryan!  Am sorry to hear about your Dad.  I wanted you to know
> > that
> > > endostatin is in trial at MD ANDERSON HOSPITAL. Houston, Texas.
> > Sometimes
> > > you are able to get permission from the FDA for the ussage of
> > certain
> > drugs
> > > for compasionate reason and this is done through the doctor
> treating
> > your
> > > father.  In any event, here is a lot of informational sites to
> help
> > and
> > also
> > > a resource location site.  Your friend, lillian
> > >
> > >
> > > The Latest Cancer Fighting Drugs
> > >
> > > Just recently (Feb '98) the media was ablaze with news of two new
> > cancer
> > > drugs, Endostatin and Angeostatin. These drugs were successful in
> > > eliminating tumorous cancers in rats.
> > >
> > > Here is how they work: tumors have a very high rate of metabolism
> > and
> > > require lots of nutrition. Cancer patients actually die of
> > starvation as
> > the
> > > tumor gets the nutrition the patient needs. Requiring this much
> > nutrition
> > > means that many blood vessels to the tumor are needed, and tumors
> > are
> > > constantly growing new blood vessels, a process known as
> > angeogenesis.
> > These
> > > new drugs are anti-angeogenesis, meaning they stop the growth of
> new
> > blood
> > > vessels, and stop the metastasis of cancer by not allowing the
> > cancer
> > cells
> > > to aggregate and grow (they, in effect, die of starvation).
> > >
> > > The anti-angeogenesis approach to cancer is not a new one. The
> drugs
> > are
> > > new, but there are natural alternatives already available. Shark
> > cartilage
> > > and bovine cartilage are two that have been used to fight cancer
> for
> > the
> > > past fifteen years (but not in this country).
> > >
> > > Additionally, our friend the soy bean contains genistein.
> Genistein
> > is a
> > > wonderful phytochemical that stops the proliferation of cancer
> > cells, and
> > > its antiangeogenesis properties are on a par with the cartilages
> > mentioned.
> > >
> > > In all fairness to humanity, while the FDA required studies for
> the
> > release
> > > of a new drug are being conducted on these new drugs, we should
> all
> > write
> > > our representatives to force the people in charge to compare these
> > drugs
> > to
> > > their natural analogues. The drug companies don't want us to
> request
> > this,
> > > because when these drugs are released, they will be expensive and
> > will
> > sell
> > > faster than the latest drug for male impotence. Top
> > >
> > >
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Articles TOC
> > >
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> > > Wellness Directory of Minnesota
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> > >
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> > >
> > > NCI CLinical Trials:
> > >
> >
> http://cancertrials.nci.nih.gov/NCI_CANCER_TRIALS/zones/PressInfo/Angi
> > o/
> > >
> > > Another clinical trial source URL:
> > > http://www.news.wisc.edu/misc/endostatin/patients.html
> > >
> > >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > Article regarding the makers with contact sales info.
> > > http://www.sgo.org/news/99/Jul/in06259d.htm
> > >
> > >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > And this site sells it!
> > > http://www.calbiochem.com/products/Spotlight.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Warmly, lillian
> > >
> > > We invite you to take a look at our Album.
> > > www.angelfire.com/sc/molangels/index.html
> > >
> > >   ( Very informational, good tips, Molers pictures, art work and
> > much
> > > more....
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ryan LaMontagne <ryan@cranberrytrail.com>
> > > To: <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 9:16 AM
> > > Subject: [MOL] angeostatin&endostatin
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know where to get or find information about
> > angeostatin or
> > > > endostatin.  My dad has bladder cancer that is now spreading.  I
> > know
> > > there
> > > > are two doctors,1 in canada, 1in the us.  Fda will not approve
> the
> > drug
> > > > because indeed it is a cure for cancer.  If the fda approves the
> > drug
> > then
> > > > hospitals and many people will be out of jobs. If anyone can
> > provide me
> > > with
> > > > any information they have or even support....do's and
> > > don'ts..........please
> > > > help.  Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > Ryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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