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Re: [MOL] Liver Cancer

 

 
>It is important to build up the immune system (I use Milk Thistle,
>Vit. E. and Soy Milk)
Pls. first clear it with your doctor.
>What is Milk Thistle?  What form is it sold in?  what kind of stores
>sell it? A herbal extract in tablet form 150 m. (all natural) at the food store
>What about Vit. E?  what dosage? 2oo m, soft gels, all natural.  Clenses the liver and helps the circulatory system.  The doctor may not want this used yet; but if there is chemo or raidation treatments also, then it is good. at a drug store
>Any soy milk?  How much do you drink a day? 2 qts. a day, right at the food store.  I get the low fat.  I also take Vit. C. and a multi vit. Hope this all helps you.
 
It has been our expierence that alternative meds. along with conventional therapy work very well; however one must know that the alternative therapy is recognized.
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>
>
>You name firefly is interesting.  I have been trying to learn Japanese
>for a number of years.  Recently, I learnt a new Japanese word, it is
>(in translation) "firefly tribe"
>Japanese businessmen smokes a lot (I guess they have not heard smoking
>causes cancer).  Anyway, some hotels in Japan does not allow smoking
>inside, so many guests stay outside in the evening smoking, it looks
>like fireflies from a distance.   Hence firefly tribe.  Just a trivia.
> I thought the word is neat.
>
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>From: firefly [mailto:firefly@islc.net]
>Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 4:13 PM
>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>Subject: Re: [MOL] Liver Cancer
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>>Betty,
>>
>>Where do you live?
>>
>>Who is Dr. M D Anderson?
>
>
>Is a hospital in Texas I have attatched their web site address for
>you.
>>
>>What does "A clear margin was obtained." mean?
>>My daughter, Mavis, has synovial sarcoma cancer in her liver.  She
>had
>>40% of her liver removed, left side.
>
>
>Clear margin means that they had removed a little bit more and where
>they cut, no cancer was showing.
>>
>>Dr. said chance of recurring is 70%.  Oh well.  Just hope for the
>>best, I guess.
>
>
>That is excelent!
>>
>>She is going to see an oncologist at Stanford Hospital, Palo Alto,
>CA
>>
>>  She is 31 years old, and you?  This isn't Betty; so I am not giving
>my age out!
>>
>>What kind of cancer do you have?
>>How aggressive is your cancer?
>>
>>Mavis is recovering fine from the surgery.  But the oncologist, Dr.
>>Fisher, we want to have to take care of her is on vacation and we
>>cannot get to see him (for the first time) until June 22nd.  That is
>>more than 2 weeks away.  We could ask for a different oncologist at
>>Stanford sooner.  Is time critical?  Mavis' case, her cancer is "high
>>grade", meaning aggressively growing.
>
>
>You should more than likely see the doctor that you have researched
>for.  Just about any doctor will take two weeks to get to see.  Make
>sure you have all her records, slides, mri's; etc.
>>
>>Another thing, what is better?  To discuss everything with Mavis or
>>not talk to her about things that would depress her.
>
>
>It is better to disucss openly and frankly in a positive manner,
>always maintaining hope.  It is important that  stress not be
>permitted.  It is important to understand that cancer is like a roller
>coaster, ups and downs.  It is important to build up the immune
>systerm (I use Milk Thistle, Vit. E. and Soy Milk)  It is important to
>believe and have faith in the doctor and that he also gives hope.  If
>you feel he is holding anything back, then discuss this with him and
>if he doesn't correct it, get another doctor.  Hope is one of nature's
>healers; something no doctor can do, only the patient has control. May
>God be with you as a family and I am sure Betty will respond to you
>also along with some other wonderful molers.
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: pitakula@webtv.net [mailto:pitakula@webtv.net]
>>Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 10:28 AM
>>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>Subject: RE: [MOL] Liver Cancer
>>
>>Ben
>>Jan. 97 the growth was found.
>>I had surgery Mar. 1 and 2/3 of right lobe was removed.
>>A clear margin was obtained.
>>3 mos. later tumors came back in both lobes.
>>I have never had any chemo but I am going to M D Anderson in June for
>>an evaulation. Doctors are amazed that I dont even appear to be sick.
>>I just continue to live my life as usual with a few rest stops on the
>>way. Keep me posted.  I care.
>>Betty
>>have a good day
>>
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Good Afternoon,

Hi my dear friends, I am writing this as my wife is dragging one leg out
the door and the other is holding down the computer so I can send one
more message. YIkes, I am hooked to you all...Well one more message.



I found this interesting.  Complet article can be found
http://www.msnbc.com/news/169321.asp



       THE NEW WORK found that aspirin acts as an anti-angiogenesis
agent,
much like the well-publicized combination of drugs that completely cured
tumors in mice.
       The find could lead to the development of more targeted drugs to
prevent colon cancer that don’t have the side effects sometimes
associated
with chronic use of painkillers, said study author Dr. Raymond N.
DuBois,
director of gastroenterology at Vanderbilt Cancer Center in Nashville.
       Aspirin appears to act in two ways to block the growth of blood
vessels that feed tumors, thus cutting off their nutrient supply and
killing them.
       The research builds on earlier work by DuBois and his colleagues
that suggested aspirin and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs
(NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen help prevent colon cancer by inhibiting
certain
enzymes.
       Over two dozen studies have shown that taking aspirin cuts the
risk
of colon cancer by about half, according to DuBois.
       His study appears in this week’s issue of the journal Cell.
       DuBois’ team grew colon cancer cells in a dish, and found they
started growing little blood vessels. This process is known as
angiogenesis.
       Aspirin worked in two ways — by inhibiting an enzyme known as
COX-1
in the tumor cells that normally produces factors that prompt
angiogenesis,
and by inhibiting a second enzyme called COX-2 necessary for the
formation
of the blood vessels that feed the tumor.
       Together, the pathways eliminate the flow of blood to tumors,
much
like chopping a plant off at its roots. <Picture>

       Despite the fact they are known to lower colon cancer risk,
NSAIDS
are not usually recommended as a cancer preventive because of the high
risk
of stomach bleeding associated with chronic use.
       But the new work suggests that drugs that inhibit COC-1 or COX-2
might be equally effective at staving off cancer, without the side
effects,
DuBois said.
       He said his team is now testing COX-2 inhibitors in animals, with
good results. Not surprisingly, COX-2 blockers seem to particularly
effective in tumors that made high levels of COX-2 — a characteristic
shared by about 80 percent of colon tumors.
       Nevertheless, drugs that work in mice do not always pan out in
humans. Human testing is underway, DuBois noted.

God Bless
marty auslander
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Friends, thought this was interesting...check out the full article.
Slowly the medical world is maybe catching on! Love, Joicy
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A Cancer Doctor Changes His Views About Alternative Treatments
    [05/26/98; Your Health Daily]

ATLANTA -- The slow entrance of alternative treatments into mainstream
U.S. medicine has mostly been conducted on tiptoe. Every once
in a while, though, a giant step brings the two camps closer.

Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, one of the
most mainstream and prestigious medical centers in the world,
recently took one of those leaps: It announced the formation
of a program in "integrative oncology." 

The initiative will allow specialists to treat patients with 
surgery, radiation and chemotherapy and with nutrition, meditation 
and other alternative techniques. Besides helping individuals, it 
may fill a broader need: Sloan-Kettering's close scrutiny could 
provide the hard scientific data that nonstandard therapies need 
to compete against traditional medicine. 

The full article can be found at:

http://nytsyn.com/IMDS%7CYHD7%7Cread%7C/home/content/users/imds/feeds/ny
tsyn/1998/05/26/medic/9909-0002-pat_nytimes%7C%7C/home/content/users/imd
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ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE SITES:

http://www.pitt.edu/cbw/altm.html.
http://www.horizonsearch.com/links NFhtm
http://www.worldwithoutcancer.com
http:web.br.edu/COHIS/cancer/about/alttx/alttherp.htm
http://www.tiac.net/users/seeker/creative.html

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Good Morning My Friends,

AS you know we are devotees and supporters of many alternative technques
and methods as, in some cases, stand alone therapy or adjunctive to
conventional treatment. But since there are so many alternative products
and treatments that are in our midst, I thought this may be of some
interest to you. Much of the following information was abstracted from
the Orange County Register, dated 5/27/98.

HOpe this benefits.

"David Spiegel", a professor of psychiatry and behavioral science at
Stanford points out...in some cases, peole will recover from an illness
whether they take a drug, a placebo or nothing.

Disastrous consequences, however, can come from an undeducated and
careless foray into alternative medicine.  Here are some important
issues to keep  in mind:

1- Be sure you have received a correct diagnosis from a conventional
doctor before seeking alternative care. (And as we pointed out here on
numerous messages, the importance and necessity of 2nd opinions is wise)

2-Tell your medical doctor about any alternative methods, including
dietary supplements, you are using or thinking of uning. Discuss the
risks and benefits and possible interatctions with other treatments you
are receiving. (If you have a supportive medical team they will assist
rather than dissuade and discourage)

3-No matter what you may be told by a friend, neighbor or alternative
care practitioner, never stop an existing treatment without first
consulting the doctor who prescribed it.

4-DONT BE FOOLED, by the word "natural". Natural is not synonymous with
safe. Arsenic, pennyroyal, botulinum toxin and urushiol (the
rash-inducing substance in poison ivy) are perfectly natural and highly
poisonous.

5-BEWARE of phony practitioners. Everyone who hangs out a shingle is not
necessarily schooled or licensed.

6-DON'T ASSUME that products labeled "dietary supplement" herbs,
vitamins and minerals and other potions sold in pharmacies, health food
stores, over the internet, cancer discussion forum, are safe and contain
what they say they do. Some are hormones; others are stimulants or
sedatives that can have serious adverse effects. 
        These products are virtually unregulated.

Hope this article is of some interest to you in your quest for your
specific health and wellness plan.

God Bless
marty auslander
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