Marty,
I know you preferred private email on this but, based on the number of
private emails I got on this subject, I prefer to send this through MOL.
We are all looking for "the cure" on this line even knowing that that is a
scientific responsibility and most of us do not have degrees in science or
medicine. We all have our opinions on what has helped us and what has not;
but they are just that opinions. Your opinions on what will help people
with cancer will help some and not others, mine are the same way. Neither
of us, or anybody else, should push our opinions as being the best. They
are merely for educational purposes and let the reader beware -- it is each
individual's right and responsibility to read what is said and to use that
information or discard it. None of us should push what we believe as being
the one and only method. You know, as well as everyone else that's been
here for a while, that I am not a noni advocate but that is more because of
an overenthusiastic salesman's pitch that taking time to check out the
product. Susan feels (as have a few others) that noni has helped her Bob --
who are any of us to take that feeling and hope away. Not ever giving up
hope is half of the battle. What has worked for your wonderful Barb may not
work for the next person. What has worked for Jim, again, may not work for
the next person. What I'm trying to say is that I don't feel anyone here
should preach (remember noni) that their way is the only way because that is
simply not true. Each person has to have belief and hope that what they
have chosen as their treatment(s) (medical as well as alternative
treatments) is the best for them and not have anyone else tell them that
they are full of c__p because they happen to be doing something different
that what others have chosen to do.
Also, re: computers, I'm sure Barb did have help in beating her cancer from
computers, from the CT scans to the blood tests to the vast amounts of
medical information being sent around the world via computers by the best
doctors in the world. My feelings on computers is the same as TV's, if you
don't like it, shut it off, but don't make any determination for the rest of
us as to what we should be doing.
I do respect and love you Marty and don't think that will ever change but
please, at least for me, hold the preaching just a little more to the pulpit
and let any, or all of us, take the educational info you give us and blend
it into our lives as we feel comfortable and not feel guilty because we
didn't do it your way.
I'm not very good at putting my feelings into words. Sometimes I say things
that come out harsher than I mean them to. I don't think that we have only
one or two experts on this board but a vast many of them who have ideas
(some very unique ones, I'll admit!!) that need to be exchanged in the hopes
that maybe that will be the one thing that helps one person. I'm learning
quickly with my cancering childrens' initiative that you can't save them all
but right now all I'm looking for is one. And, if we as a group with all
our varied ideas and opinions, can be used to save a few by using several
ideas, then wouldn't that be wonderful!!
In all love and respect,
cindy
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Auslander <fitecancer@earthlink.net>
To: ccrowe@msn.com <ccrowe@msn.com>
Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MOL] REASON
>Dear Cindy,
>
>I think you know better than that to infer that I feel you or anyone
>don't need doctors. I also think by your private e-mail message to me
>this morning and another message you sent on mol the other day and now
>this, I believe there is something else that is bothering you about me
>and I am truly sorry. My dialogue here and discussions are always,
>always in the best interest of each and everyone, you, and everyone.
>When we disagree and have different opinions it is done with respect. I
>have a feeling now, Cindy, there is some lack of respect on your part
>and if you have a personal grievance, pls e-mail me personally, but I
>don't think this forum should be a party to something that you know and
>everyone else knows that I have been touched by cancer, as you have, and
>that my heart/mind/body and soul is a 24 hour reminder for me to
>support. I believe you know that.....if not, then somewhere along the
>line something did go wrong and for that, we need to just have a
>diplomatic, mature, educational chat with common goal that will be
>beneficial to you and me for a continued friendship. Friendships are
>extremely important to me. So, if there is something going on other than
>some friendly misunderstang and wishing to be clarified, I think we need
>to discuss...privately. Don't you? you have not answered my reply to
>your personal message this morning.
>
>I will not post on mol, as I don't believe they should be a party to
>what I am replying to. But, you have thanked me on a number of occasions
>for my help, now you don't see me helping you. I am concerned where I
>dropped the ball. YOu know very well that Doctors to me and to everyone
>play a very important role, If you have been listening to my messages
>about 2nd opinions and reasons why all this time you wouldn't say that.
>Also as far as computers....Barb survived without it, HOwever I never
>said that you or I or anyone did not benefit from that somewhere along
>the line. As for Noni juice, it is not or will not be in clinical trials
>, pls call the N.C.I and the Counsel for Alternative Medicines for
>further explanation. That is their remarks not mine. As for Hydrazine
>sulfate, yes it is in trials. So, I hope this clears this up. I hope we
>can have dialog even when we disagree in the future to have mutual
>respect and friendship. I am sorry this has come to this, but I am
>hoping I am wrong about the way you inwardly feel about me. I do believe
>there is another agenda that is bothering you. I am hoping it comes out
>so we can go on to support each other. I pray for that. I guess I can go
>on and on, but your friendship is important to me as is the respect I
>give to you and I would hope expect in return. I would like that to
>continue. Wouldn't you?
>
>God Bless
>marty
>
>
>
>Cindy Crowe wrote:
>>
>> I know I've been in a bitchy mood lately and I apologize but I just can't
>> help myself. Marty, are you saying in you last paragraph that we don't
need
>> doctors to get well either. And where are those dr.s getting their info
but
>> through a lot of research using computers. And aren't clinical trials
along
>> the same line as trying noni, hyd. sul. or anything else to see if it
works
>> and on how many and if you are the one it happens to work on doesn't that
>> make all the "witch doctor" brews given under the guise of medical trials
>> worthwhile. Besides making wonderful friends, computers give us the
right
>> to research our illnesses and become active members with the team trying
to
>> cure us and to allow us to ask informed questions and not just be quiet,
>> meek guinea pigs??
>>
>> Just a thought......
>>
>> cindy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Auslander <fitecancer@earthlink.net>
>> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
>> Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 2:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MOL] REASON
>>
>> >Dear Bob,
>> >
>> >May I just add a little, non argumentative rebuttal here, in fun.
>> >
>> >There are those that will tell you, whom are unhappy, that those
>> >inventions have not meant the best in the welfare of those who
>> >experience much stress, aggravation and illness and misfortunes in
>> >their life. There are those who have never seen a computer, and are very
>> >happy and healthy.
>> >
>> >I live with a woman who is cancer free today, and has never been on
>> >NOni....especially Noni. But she has and I have interviewed many
>> >survivors that trust the good old Mother Earth for natural foods and
>> >nutrients that are survivors and cancer free and without the benefit of
>> >those products that are processed.
>> >
>> >My feeling is that there certainly are benefits to the computer, and
>> >for those other things that we seem to believe in as placebos, but we
>> >must not focus on those things that may benefit some and not others.
>> >What we should focus on are those things that are natural, organic, in
>> >terms of foods and healthy beliefs about our bodies, and as far as the
>> >computer....I have benefited from the computer by being able to research
>> >into cancer..to meet many of those that have been afflicted by
>> >cancer...and to provide them with much information about cancer...but I
>> >would destroy my computer today....with glee if there were no cancer and
>> >I would survive without a computer. We did before, happily, as we can as
>> >well without Noni and be cancer free. Believing in those basics about
>> >good health, and how to achieve good health stems from the basics of
>> >what we do to our body. Of course there are those diseases that we can't
>> >answer for, and of course as you say we should keep all doors open, I
>> >believe that as well, but we should not see those things that come on
>> >the market to be the cureall, because that is more devastating to
>> >experience those things that people say are curealls and inventions that
>> >will provide us with the means to justify our goals and it fails for
>> >them.. That is not the truth. Computers are great. Noni juice and
>> >Hydrazine Sulfate and all the alternatives and conventional treatments
>> >may be beneficial inventions to some, but then why is there still
>> >cancer? If we just for a moment look at the basics and not reason why
>> >about the inventions for whether its good or whether some alternatives
>> >may be good for one, when in fact its not good for all, then we would be
>> >far, far better off. Why do we not trust God when he points out in the
>> >bible about those nutrients and basic foods that maintain our life. And
>> >there isn't one scientist that can argue abaout the most basic of those
>> >foods and nutrients because essentially that is what our body is
>> >composed of, the basics to be nurtured. Why do we have to seek those
>> >things that provide a crutch, when the most simplest of things, can give
>> >us so much more pleasure and health. I remember a time, when we didn't
>> >have computers, televisions and I believe you and many others here,
>> >those that are old enough to remember as I am, that this world and the
>> >people not only survived without these inventions, but we were happier,
>> >healthier, and wealthier with love and peace.
>> >
>> >Sorry, Bob, didn't mean to get carried away. I do agree the inventions
>> >and alternatives are necessary, I just wouldn't stress that they are the
>> >curealls and inventions to the goals of good health and lifes happiness.
>> >Just a suggestion, but I walk with you about keeping doors open. That is
>> >how we learn and progress and progress is essential, but some of that
>> >progress has been limited with all the diseases, because we just cant
>> >look in our hearts or minds for the basics that was healthy for us to
>> >begin with.
>> >
>> >I can tell you from pinpoint experience, not only with my Barb, but many
>> >others, that understanding what the body/mind/heart plays in our daily
>> >life will also tell you that they have recovered, they are getting well,
>> >they are cancer free, and its taking advantage of those most simple
>> >things, as a daily wellness plan, that provides longer quality living.
>> >
>> >God Bless and hope this is taken with my very sincerest intention to
>> >support your theory and Gods very believable messages, for those that
>> >are seeking recovery and good health. It truly can be done without the
>> >computer, noni juice, Hydrazine sulfate, etc.
>> >
>> >YOur friend
>> >marty
>> >
>> >
>> >Bobsomm wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ponderings for Noni, Hydrazine Sulfate, Herbal Teas, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Reasons to keep an open mind
>> >>
>> >> Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons.
>> >> --Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
>> >>
>> >> I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
>> >> --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
>> >>
>> >> I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with
>> >> the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad
that
>> >> won't last out the year.
>> >> --The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957
>> >>
>> >> But what is it good for?
>> >> --Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968,
>> >> commenting on the microchip.
>> >>
>> >> There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home
>> >> --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment
>> >> Corp., 1977
>> >>
>> >> This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered
as
>> >> a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.
>> >> --Western Union internal memo, 1876.
>> >>
>> >> VR Bob
>> >>
>> >>
>
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