My Dear Mol Friends,
I have kept quiet up to now because I was doing some investigating or
research about Noni Juice and the claims by which it was being
presented. This is my understanding and findings.
After two conversations with different members of the National Cancer
Institute (1-800-4cancer) they told me that the N.C.I. had never in the
past or in the present or intend to in the near future place an
alternative into clinical trials. They have never heard of Noni Juice
and there is absolutely nothing in or on their lists of clinical trials.
They then referred me to the Office of Alternative Medicine Clearing
House who is an affiliate to the National Cancer Institute at
1-888-644-6226. I asked them if they had ever heard of Noni Juice and
their reply was "that the Federal Drug Administration was keeping close
tabs on it as it was a marketing scheme". I had called back and
confirmed that information with another member at another time of the
day.
I then sent this information to William Concowich for his perusal and
determination.
I would urge any and/or all to verify and/or confirm my telephone calls
and the responses I received. YOu may even learn more, I don't know.
This was enough for me. I was praying to God that clinical trials were
ongoing. Alas, that was not true as it had been to have been claimed.
I was told by the forum of reknown members of the Alternative Medical
Profession who had their forum with the Medical Community designates
from the National Cancer Institute and Federal Drug Administration when
I attended Barbs immune therapy program last year, that the forum was
the first in the history of these institutions where alternative
medicine is first being discussed as alternative medicine never was in
the history of the National Cancer Institute even a though about
utilizing in clinical trials.
God Bless You All
marty
Charlie T wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie T <charliet@flash.net>
> To: Grandtime <Grandtime@aol.com>
> Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Bill Cut Grandtime Off
>
> >Well, Rich, it is hard for me to comment since you don't have Bill's letter
> >for me to read. Your post to me was not particularly offensive or
> >disturbing, but the battles over Noni juice were a real downer. And
> believe
> >me, I am not finger pointing about origination or perpetuation of that
> whole
> >incident.
> >
> >I also have to plead ignorance on the specifics of rules for posting, I'm
> >sorry to admit. I am a free speech supporter, but I am bound to respect
> >whatever rules are about posts when I joined the board...we all "took the
> >oath" so to speak to uphold the guidelines. If I were to overstep the
> >boundaries, I would expect Bill to take appropriate action with me.
> >
> >I am posting a copy of this to the board, as well.
> >
> >Sincerely and best of luck to you,
> >
> >Sally
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Grandtime <Grandtime@aol.com>
> >To: Nancy Matoba <lifemint@mindspring.com>
> >Cc: GW0123@aol.com <GW0123@aol.com>; Charlie T <charliet@flash.net>;
> >grinders@grinders.com <grinders@grinders.com>
> >Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 1:19 PM
> >Subject: Bill Cut Grandtime Off
> >
> >
> >>Well, my friends, Bill Comcowich pulled me (Grandtime) off the forum,
> >because
> >>I wrote this to Sally: (A copy of my response to him follows) (It
> >certainly
> >>should please the some of the few rulers of mol. Although I had so much
> >>support from many others, many more than this email to you)
> >>
> >>Subj: [MOL] RESPONSE to Sally - Alternative methods or treatments
> >>Date: 98-03-27 03:13:55 EST
> >>From: Grandtime@aol.com (Grandtime)
> >>Sender: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >>Reply-to: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >>CC: charliet@flash.net (Charlie T), SafeCon1@classic.msn.com (Keith
> >Kendall),
> >>HewRon@aol.com (HewRon), GW0123@aol.com
> >>
> >>Sally,
> >>You wrote:
> >>
> >>Subj: Re: [MOL] Alternative methods or treatments - RESPONSE
> >>Date: 98-03-26 19:17:29 EST
> >>From: charliet@flash.net (Charlie T)
> >>Sender: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >>Reply-to: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
> >>
> >>"Keith,
> >>I will remember you and Carl in my prayers....
> >>Grandtime is where you get the Noni juice, altho I swear Ron said he saw
> it
> >>in a health food store --Ron, am I dreaming or did you find it in your
> >local
> >>health food store?? You know those lucky New Yorkers have everything!!"
> >>
> >>The following is for informational purposes only.
> >>
> >>Sally, thank you for this mention. I just wish to clarify something.
> >There
> >>are different kinds of noni products on the market. It really becomes
> >>important to distinguish between them. The very first product really is
> >from
> >>God. The Morinda Citrifolia (noni plant) grows throughout the South
> >Pacific,
> >>and varieties can also be found in other moderate climates.
> >>
> >>The Polynesians have know about its healing qualities for over 2,000
> years.
> >>The Federal Drug Administration approved it as a food in 1945, for our
> >troops
> >>in the Pacific theater. Since then, lots of scientific research has been
> >done
> >>on this plant. It hasn't been produced for general consumption until July
> >>1996. The trouble is, in its natural state the ripened fruit stinks so bad
> >and
> >>is bitter to the taste. It wasn't until 1994 that a couple of food
> >scientists
> >>found a way to flavor it with a small quantity of other natural
> >ingredients.
> >>It now tastes a little like prune juice. It actually tastes darn good.
> >>Morinda, Inc. brought this product to market, after three years of study.
> >>Morinda, Inc.'s founders do not take credit for the product. They give
> all
> >>praise and glory to God, whose product it is. They just bottle it and
> >>distribute it.
> >>
> >>Part of the study was; do we put it in capsules? Tablets? Freeze dry?
> >Dilute
> >>it? Leave it as a pure juice? The later was decided upon as the best way
> >to
> >>preserve the integrity of the nutrients and healing substances found in
> the
> >>plant. The President of Morinda used to be the President of the first
> >company
> >>to encapsulate herbs. So they knew what they were doing. And they
> >patented
> >>the process and kept some very significant proprietary steps in the
> >processing
> >>of the fruit. The French Polynesian government has given them exclusive
> >>harvesting rights. This is great, since the most effective noni plants
> are
> >>found in the Tahiti islands, over 200 of them. The richest soil, no
> >>industrialization, best climate and healthiest product.
> >>
> >>After Morinda came out with the Tahitian Noni Juice other companies came
> >along
> >>with copy cat products. This, mainly from freeze-dried noni. It's put in
> >>capsules along with fillers like cellulose(sawdust) or lactic acid(not
> good
> >>for cancer patients). It would take about 20 - 22 capsule to equal 1 oz
> of
> >>the Tahitian Noni Juice. And even then, it doesn't have the effective
> >>substances in it like damnacanthal or proxeroine. Other companies have
> >taken
> >>the freeze dried noni and put it in distilled water, and then call it a
> >juice.
> >>These companies even take the Morinda, Inc's research material and adapt
> it
> >to
> >>their products, often quoting word from word from Morinda Inc.'s
> >literature,
> >>as if it was their original research. Copy cats all the way.
> >>
> >>One Mol'er wrote "We did, however, try some noni capsules (freeze-dried),
> >with
> >>no good effect. So--on to the juice." There's nothing like the 100%
> >Tahitian
> >>Noni Juice. Some stores may carry it. Other distributors can make it
> >>available. Whatever is done, if anyone was to buy noni, buy what works.
> >Not
> >>the substitutes. And buy it wholesale.
> >>
> >>Rich Grandtime@aol.com
> >>
> >>I accidently deleted Bill's message to me. I wish I hadn't hit the wrong
> >>button. He accused me of being naive and brainwashed, among other things,
> >by
> >>the company I represent. Bill had told me that he absolutely does not
> >believe
> >>in any alternative methods of treatment. Nevertheless, here is my
> response
> >to
> >>Bill.
> >>
> >>
> >>Subj: OVER THE LINE
> >>Date: 98-03-27 13:49:42 EST
> >>From: Grandtime
> >>To: comcowic@meds.com (William J. Comcowich)
> >>
> >>Bill,
> >>
> >>I believe you misread the post.
> >>
> >>The response was not a sales pitch. It was an explaination of the
> >differences
> >>in the noni product. It was by way of clarification to the writer. It
> was
> >>for informational purposes only. I did not put a phone number or say to
> >>contact me. I said if someone was to buy the product to buy the right
> kind
> >of
> >>noni product and not some substitute. I also said that some store might
> >carry
> >>it and other distributors sell it. There was no self promotion. It was
> >pure
> >>in heart to inform, not to sell for my personal benefit.
> >>
> >>It would be like a discussion on Essiac or Hydrazine Sulphate. Some
> >>informative information, not a sales pitch. You most likely don't like
> >>Essiac, Hydrazine Sulphate or other alternatives either. There have been
> >>numerous discussions on the merits of these, along with places to buy
> them,
> >>etc.
> >>
> >>I have purposely not promoted the product on the forum, as per your
> >request.
> >>I have only responded in cases (only 2) where someone wrote about the
> >product,
> >>as was done with the post in question. Neither time was there any
> personal
> >>promotion. Only clarification information was provided.
> >>
> >>If someone had specifically requested buying information, I deliberately
> >did
> >>not respond with that information on the forum. I e-mailed them directly
> >to
> >>answer any specific questions. I kept such things off the forum. Again,
> >in
> >>respect to your request.
> >>
> >>You pulled me off the forum for the wrong reason. I did not go over the
> >line.
> >>I deliberately stayed within bounds, as per your request. If you re-read
> >the
> >>post in question you should recognize that, if you were to be truly fair
> >and
> >>honest about it.
> >>
> >>Rich
> >>
> >>Well, friends, if you see any requests for information, or any relevant
> >posts,
> >>please CC me at Grandtime@aol.com. Love to hear what you think of this
> >>development. Sally, what do you think?
> >>
> >
>
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