-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie T <charliet@flash.net>
To: Grandtime <Grandtime@aol.com>
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Bill Cut Grandtime Off
>Well, Rich, it is hard for me to comment since you don't have Bill's letter
>for me to read. Your post to me was not particularly offensive or
>disturbing, but the battles over Noni juice were a real downer. And
believe
>me, I am not finger pointing about origination or perpetuation of that
whole
>incident.
>
>I also have to plead ignorance on the specifics of rules for posting, I'm
>sorry to admit. I am a free speech supporter, but I am bound to respect
>whatever rules are about posts when I joined the board...we all "took the
>oath" so to speak to uphold the guidelines. If I were to overstep the
>boundaries, I would expect Bill to take appropriate action with me.
>
>I am posting a copy of this to the board, as well.
>
>Sincerely and best of luck to you,
>
>Sally
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Grandtime <Grandtime@aol.com>
>To: Nancy Matoba <lifemint@mindspring.com>
>Cc: GW0123@aol.com <GW0123@aol.com>; Charlie T <charliet@flash.net>;
>grinders@grinders.com <grinders@grinders.com>
>Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 1:19 PM
>Subject: Bill Cut Grandtime Off
>
>
>>Well, my friends, Bill Comcowich pulled me (Grandtime) off the forum,
>because
>>I wrote this to Sally: (A copy of my response to him follows) (It
>certainly
>>should please the some of the few rulers of mol. Although I had so much
>>support from many others, many more than this email to you)
>>
>>Subj: [MOL] RESPONSE to Sally - Alternative methods or treatments
>>Date: 98-03-27 03:13:55 EST
>>From: Grandtime@aol.com (Grandtime)
>>Sender: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>Reply-to: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>CC: charliet@flash.net (Charlie T), SafeCon1@classic.msn.com (Keith
>Kendall),
>>HewRon@aol.com (HewRon), GW0123@aol.com
>>
>>Sally,
>>You wrote:
>>
>>Subj: Re: [MOL] Alternative methods or treatments - RESPONSE
>>Date: 98-03-26 19:17:29 EST
>>From: charliet@flash.net (Charlie T)
>>Sender: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>Reply-to: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>
>>"Keith,
>>I will remember you and Carl in my prayers....
>>Grandtime is where you get the Noni juice, altho I swear Ron said he saw
it
>>in a health food store --Ron, am I dreaming or did you find it in your
>local
>>health food store?? You know those lucky New Yorkers have everything!!"
>>
>>The following is for informational purposes only.
>>
>>Sally, thank you for this mention. I just wish to clarify something.
>There
>>are different kinds of noni products on the market. It really becomes
>>important to distinguish between them. The very first product really is
>from
>>God. The Morinda Citrifolia (noni plant) grows throughout the South
>Pacific,
>>and varieties can also be found in other moderate climates.
>>
>>The Polynesians have know about its healing qualities for over 2,000
years.
>>The Federal Drug Administration approved it as a food in 1945, for our
>troops
>>in the Pacific theater. Since then, lots of scientific research has been
>done
>>on this plant. It hasn't been produced for general consumption until July
>>1996. The trouble is, in its natural state the ripened fruit stinks so bad
>and
>>is bitter to the taste. It wasn't until 1994 that a couple of food
>scientists
>>found a way to flavor it with a small quantity of other natural
>ingredients.
>>It now tastes a little like prune juice. It actually tastes darn good.
>>Morinda, Inc. brought this product to market, after three years of study.
>>Morinda, Inc.'s founders do not take credit for the product. They give
all
>>praise and glory to God, whose product it is. They just bottle it and
>>distribute it.
>>
>>Part of the study was; do we put it in capsules? Tablets? Freeze dry?
>Dilute
>>it? Leave it as a pure juice? The later was decided upon as the best way
>to
>>preserve the integrity of the nutrients and healing substances found in
the
>>plant. The President of Morinda used to be the President of the first
>company
>>to encapsulate herbs. So they knew what they were doing. And they
>patented
>>the process and kept some very significant proprietary steps in the
>processing
>>of the fruit. The French Polynesian government has given them exclusive
>>harvesting rights. This is great, since the most effective noni plants
are
>>found in the Tahiti islands, over 200 of them. The richest soil, no
>>industrialization, best climate and healthiest product.
>>
>>After Morinda came out with the Tahitian Noni Juice other companies came
>along
>>with copy cat products. This, mainly from freeze-dried noni. It's put in
>>capsules along with fillers like cellulose(sawdust) or lactic acid(not
good
>>for cancer patients). It would take about 20 - 22 capsule to equal 1 oz
of
>>the Tahitian Noni Juice. And even then, it doesn't have the effective
>>substances in it like damnacanthal or proxeroine. Other companies have
>taken
>>the freeze dried noni and put it in distilled water, and then call it a
>juice.
>>These companies even take the Morinda, Inc's research material and adapt
it
>to
>>their products, often quoting word from word from Morinda Inc.'s
>literature,
>>as if it was their original research. Copy cats all the way.
>>
>>One Mol'er wrote "We did, however, try some noni capsules (freeze-dried),
>with
>>no good effect. So--on to the juice." There's nothing like the 100%
>Tahitian
>>Noni Juice. Some stores may carry it. Other distributors can make it
>>available. Whatever is done, if anyone was to buy noni, buy what works.
>Not
>>the substitutes. And buy it wholesale.
>>
>>Rich Grandtime@aol.com
>>
>>I accidently deleted Bill's message to me. I wish I hadn't hit the wrong
>>button. He accused me of being naive and brainwashed, among other things,
>by
>>the company I represent. Bill had told me that he absolutely does not
>believe
>>in any alternative methods of treatment. Nevertheless, here is my
response
>to
>>Bill.
>>
>>
>>Subj: OVER THE LINE
>>Date: 98-03-27 13:49:42 EST
>>From: Grandtime
>>To: comcowic@meds.com (William J. Comcowich)
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>I believe you misread the post.
>>
>>The response was not a sales pitch. It was an explaination of the
>differences
>>in the noni product. It was by way of clarification to the writer. It
was
>>for informational purposes only. I did not put a phone number or say to
>>contact me. I said if someone was to buy the product to buy the right
kind
>of
>>noni product and not some substitute. I also said that some store might
>carry
>>it and other distributors sell it. There was no self promotion. It was
>pure
>>in heart to inform, not to sell for my personal benefit.
>>
>>It would be like a discussion on Essiac or Hydrazine Sulphate. Some
>>informative information, not a sales pitch. You most likely don't like
>>Essiac, Hydrazine Sulphate or other alternatives either. There have been
>>numerous discussions on the merits of these, along with places to buy
them,
>>etc.
>>
>>I have purposely not promoted the product on the forum, as per your
>request.
>>I have only responded in cases (only 2) where someone wrote about the
>product,
>>as was done with the post in question. Neither time was there any
personal
>>promotion. Only clarification information was provided.
>>
>>If someone had specifically requested buying information, I deliberately
>did
>>not respond with that information on the forum. I e-mailed them directly
>to
>>answer any specific questions. I kept such things off the forum. Again,
>in
>>respect to your request.
>>
>>You pulled me off the forum for the wrong reason. I did not go over the
>line.
>>I deliberately stayed within bounds, as per your request. If you re-read
>the
>>post in question you should recognize that, if you were to be truly fair
>and
>>honest about it.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>Well, friends, if you see any requests for information, or any relevant
>posts,
>>please CC me at Grandtime@aol.com. Love to hear what you think of this
>>development. Sally, what do you think?
>>
>
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