Keith,
I will remember you and Carl in my prayers. I am a caregiver to a mate with
squamos cell carcinoma primary in tonsil - we are in stage IV. Just
finished a clinical trial and have been extremely encouraged by the results
so far. Don't ever give up hope. I hate to see my beloved suffer, but he
chose to fight and my place is beside him. I thought Ross' comment was so
true but never really thought of it this way-whether we are the patient or
caregiver we all have cancer.
Grandtime is where you get the Noni juice, altho I swear Ron said he saw it
in a health food store --Ron, am I dreaming or did you find it in your local
health food store?? You know those lucky New Yorkers have everything!!
We also meditate together, and during chemo Charlie (when he was awake)
visualized the infusions blasting the cancer. Maybe Carl could try this
when swallowing juice or infusing.
My acupuncturist used to get me to talk to each of my organs and give them
an "inner smile" when we would meditate.
I find this very relaxing yet energizing when I feel like I am at a low ebb.
I wish you both strength and peace.
Sally
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Kendall <SafeCon1@classic.msn.com>
To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [MOL] Alternative methods or treatments - RESPONSE
>Grndtime,
> Good morning and how are you feeling, I may be mistaking but I think it
was
>you who had the number for the "tahitian nani juice". My dear friend Carl
is
>extremely interested and asked me to find a distributor of this product.
He
>is stage four liver cancer and is getting ready for another bout of chemo.
He
>is finally convinced that he will beat with additional non traditional
>treatment. Finally my hopes are picking up for him (thanks Ron).
>I am very excited to be a part of this, although it is breaking my heart
to
>see him suffer, This is my way of fighting for him.
>thank you and god bless, Keith
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-mol-cancer@lists.meds.com On Behalf Of Grandtime
>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 1:51 AM
>To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>Cc: Ross Ylitalo
>Subject: [MOL] Alternative methods or treatments - RESPONSE
>
>Ross,
>
>I am answering you, because you asked me, on the mol-forum, to answer some
>questions. This is by way of information and discussion. It is not
intended
>to be a "sales pitch." Please accept this in the spirit in which you
>intended. You have pondered this and researched a little, and now you have
a
>point of discussion that you bring up. Thank you for being considerate in
>your remarks. I will try my best in response.
>
>(If anyone other than Ross is reading this, please keep in mind that this
>communication and discussion matter is in response to Ross's inquiry on the
>mol forum. It is between Ross and myself. Do not read any further unless
you
>want to.).
>
>I appreciate what you are saying, Ross. Actually, I agree with you. What
the
>problem is - is like the old saying about being in between a rock and a
hard
>place. Or damned if you do and damned if you don't.
>
>The company maintains a policy of saying that "Morinda, Inc. and its
>distributors make no curative claims about the product." Yes, Ross, that
is
>on all those statements you mention. And, yes I would add it ro the end
of
>the following that you refer to:
> "To say 'That there is no miracle cure at this time ... in
>alternative methods or
>treatments,' is not a fair statement, in my opinion. And, in my opinion,
and
>those of scientific research, doctor statements and users of the Tahitian
Noni
>Juice, the polynesian miracle is now available, and has been since July 4,
>1996."
>
>Ross, I'm glad you got the monkey off your back and spoke up on this.
There's
>been enough argument and I truly appreciate it when you say you "can't help
>but wag it in the wind and try to air it out...Doggone it. I don't want to
>fight with anybody. Even if I live to be a hundred, life's too short for
>that." So, Ross, I can appreciate where you are coming from. Especially
when
>you state that "at one point I heard I've got
>a 50-50 chance of making it to 43, and much less of making it to 48."
>
>The individual has to make the choices. Many doctors don't believe in any
>alternative treatments. (This is a topic of another discussion.) Many
>doctors are not fully aware of what some alternative treatments are all
about.
>So to many of them it is quackery. Sure enough there probably is enough
quack
>treatments here and there. There are also alternative treatments that just
so
>happen to work. Some better than others. Therefor, the individual patient
>has to make a decision. Do you try something that might work, or not?
What
>validity is there to the claims made for the treatment or substance being
>used? When someone's life is at stake, and you're searching for answers,
what
>do you do? That is a personal choice. A tough one. Really one, I
believe,
>that needs to be made with earnest praying to God. (Another topic for a
later
>discussion).
>
>It is true that "Morinda, Inc. and its distributors do not make any
curative
>claims about the product." We're not God, and we're not doctors. I, Ross,
am
>entitled to an opinion, however. Do I believe in miracles? Do I believe
it
>cures cancer? Cure? There's too many variables to consider. How long
has
>someone had their condition, how involved is it, is cachexia involved and
to
>what degree? Also, each person's biochemistry is to be condidered.
>
>Will Tahitian Noni Juice help? I certainly hope it does good for those
who
>decide to use this product. I strongly believe it will. In my opinion,
>based upon information available to me through (1)scientific research,
>(2)statements from doctors, and (3)statements from users who had/have
>cancer...well...that's why I am here!!! I have consistently provided
>examples of all three in past posts. I did not have to personally say what
>was already said, instead, by these three sources.
>
>Ross, please bear with me while we "wag it in the wind and try to air it
out."
>
>Another reason Morinda, Inc, and its distributors, of which I am one, do
not
>(in and of ourselves) make curative claims about the product is that this
>product, Tahitian Noni Juice, is sold as a food. Therefor, how can we make
>curative claims about a food? Furthermore, this product is now available
in
>five countries (USA, Canada, Jamaica, Costa Rica and Sweden). Ten other
>countries are scheduled to come on board this year (Dominican Republic, El
>Salvador, Philippines, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Norway, Finland,
>Germany, Belgium, Tahiti, and Israel). And there is a lot of interest, in
>this product, worldwide.
>
>You know how these things work. Look how tough it has been to get approval
>for the existing, Federal Drug Administration (FDA), National Cancer
Institute
>(NCI), American Medical Association (AMA ), approved drugs and treatments.
>You are also aware of the battles being fought to get these, and other,
>"alphabet soup" agencies to recognize several drugs and treatments that
seem
>to have positive benefits for cancer patients, but are not currently on the
>"approved list." What regulatory agencies do these other countries have?
>Some are even more stringent in their requirements than the USA, others a
bit
>less restrictive (eg: Germany).
>
> Does the NCI know about Tahitian Noni Juice? I can assure you that they
have
>several cases of it being used in studies right now. As do other cancer
>research facilities. What will become of those studies? How many years
will
>it be for any comment, if any? Well, again, reread the preceding
paragraph.
>Are some onocologists aware of this product? Yes, of course. Who are
they?
>Will they say anything? Hey, they have to live by the FDA, NCI and AMA
rules,
>regulations, guidelines and ethics. They belong to the club!! Will any of
>them break rank and actually make a statement about Tahitian Noni Juice?
Stay
>tuned. Unfortunately, Ross, the clock ticks and pages are torn off the
>calendar.
>
>In the meantime, we have the powerful resources, in third party sources,
>available such as the aforementioned (1)scientific research, (2)statements
>from doctors, and (3)statements from users who had/have cancer. Examples
>follow:
>
>SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH:
>
> You might be interested in a study reported in 1993 from a very reputable
>laboratory in Kayo University in Yokohama, Japan. While searching for
>substances that would induce a normal structure in abnormal K-ras-NRK cells
>(pre-cancer cells - precursors to many malignant growths), four Japanese
>scientists came across the substance damnacanthal found in the Morinda
>citrifolia, or the noni plant. Ras cells were seeded into 96 plates and
>incubated at 33 degrees centigrade for 24 hours. The noni plant extract
was
>added and the cell morphology was examined every day for five days.
>Researchers observed that the damnacanthal significantly inhibited the ras
>cells from reproducing. It is one of very few substances shown to actually
>reverse cancer cell proliferation at the gene level. Out of 500 plant
>extracts, M. Citrifolia (noni) contained the most effective compounds
against
>ras cells.
>
>Tomonori Hiramatsu, Mayasa Imoto, Takashi Koyono, Umezawa, "Induction of
>Normal Phenotypes in Ras-Transformed Cells by Damnacanthal from Morinda
>citrifolia," Cancer Letters, Vol. 73, 1993
>
> That study should be enough. It is hard to ignore its implications. But,
I
>can't resist. Here's one more:
>
> (Before I get to it, let me point out something. Most (or all) mammals --
>including dogs and cats -- have comparable DNA content and roughly the same
>number of genes. Mice have been studied extensively, and even these very
>different creatures have a nearly one-to-one correspondence with humans: A
>particular mouse gene almost always has a human counterpart. The animals
>differ because some of the corresponding genes differ in DNA sequence.
Mice
>have 70 percent to 90 percent of their gene structure in commin with
humans.
>That is why mice are used in laboratory testing.)
>
> A later study conducted at the University of Hawaii showed similar
positive
>results regarding noni and its use as an anti-cancer agent. Researchers in
>Hawaii reported that mice clinically infected with Lewis lung carcinoma
(LLC)
>and left untreated died within nine to twelve days. However, mice infected
>with the same strain of LLC and then injected with an extract from noni
juice
>lived significantly longer. More than half (thirteen out of twenty two) of
>the treated mice survived over fifty days, and four of those mice continued
to
>live. On average, the noni juice extract prolonged the life span of the
>infected mice by 119 percent. The scientists concluded that the noni
extract
>acts as an inhibitor to the LLC infection by indirectly enhancing the
>macrophages and lymphocytes activity in a mouse's immune system.
> A. Hirazumi, E. Furusawa, S.C. Chou, and Y. Hokanna. "Anticancer Activity
of
>Morinda citrifolia(Noni) on Intraperitonically Implanted Lewis Lung
Carcinoma
>in Syngeneic Mice." Proc. West, Pharmacol. Soc. 37:145-146 (1994).
>
>
>STATEMENTS FROM DOCTORS:
>
> Dr. Mona Harrison, MD has a pretty impressive background in that she is a
>former assistant dean of Boston University School of Medicine and former
chief
>medical officer for D.C. General Hospital, currently specializing in
>Pediatrics and Family Medicine; Yelm, WA.
> "One of my patients was suffering from kidney cancer with metastases, or
the
>movement of malignant cells, to her lung and brain. She had been given
only
>two weeks to live. Within that two-week period, she took noni juice and it
>cleared up her lung lesions...Another patient had liver cancer and a
swelling
>of fluid in the abdominal area. After seven days on noni juice this
ascitic
>fluid cleared up completely. She and the first case I mentioned were
>terminally ill cancer patients who no one anticipated would make it, but
they
>are alive today because of noni."
>
>STATEMENTS FROM USERS WHO HAD/HAVE CANCER:
>
>Bobbye Patterson wrote:
> "Last year(1996) I was diagnosed with breast cancer. I had six rounds of
>chemotherapy and was in bed for a week after each treatment. Each time I
>started to get better, it was time for another round of chemotherapy. I
was
>scheduled to have breast surgery a month after my last treatment.
> My body was so weak that I didn't feel strong enough to even survive the
>surgery. Then I heard about {Tahitian} noni {Juice} and started taking it
a
>week after my last treatment. I wanted to boost my immune system to get my
>body ready for surgery.
> It worked--when I went in for surgery, I had plenty of energy. I had a
>bilateral mastectomy on the left side and a lateral one on the right, and I
>came through it great. I was home by the third day!
> I was feeling so good that I thought I had too much noni {juice} in my
system
>and should cut back a bit, but I was wrong. When I didn't take as much
noni
>{juice} as I needed, I felt like I was dragging. I started taking my
normal
>amount again and felt better in three or four days. Today, I still have a
lot
>of energy and feel clear-headed. I even finished all the ironing I hadn't
>touched in almost a year.
> I have a lot of friends drinking noni {juice} and they're just amazed at
how
>much better they feel. My stepdaughter's friend was diagnosed with cancer
of
>the lungs and throat and given twelve weeks to live. I gave her a case of
>noni juice and a month later the doctor couldn't find any trace of the
cancer.
> We don't go anywhere without our noni. It's wonderful."
>
> Dr. Scott Gerson, Foundation for Holistic Medical Research; Executive
>Director, National Holistic Health Institute; Member, American Medical
>Association; Family Physician, New York, New York; Currently teaches and
>lectures at many medical schools; Researcher; Author; Medical Degree, Mt.
>Sinai Medical School, New York, New York; Ayurvedic Medical Degree, India,
has
>said that:
> "Tahitian Noni Juice has not been found to be harmful at any levels, nor
for
>any health conditions. Tahitian Noni Juice is the most important medicinal
>herbal
>product to come forth in the 21st Century."
>
>Well, Ross, there is a two letter, ten word statement: "If it is to be, it
is
>up to me."
>Only the person who looks in the mirror sees the image of the one who can
make
>that decision.
>
>With love and caring,
>Rich
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