Re: [MOL] The Meaning of Serenity/Christine [02785] Medicine On Line


[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [MOL] The Meaning of Serenity/Christine



Christine... How is the weather???  I just wanted to drop you a note to let
you know that I am still very glad to have you as a friend!!  Love you,
Carla
 Hope that all is well with you and yours and know that the cancering
journey is the bond that keeps us all friends here on the forum..
-----Original Message-----
From: Christine White <christine.white@sympatico.ca>
To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MOL] The Meaning of Serenity/Christine


>Religion and politics are two subjects that seem to rile people up. I
>usually avoid both. It is unfortunate though that people can't just agree
>to disagree about certain things and remain friends.
>I sent you another ICQ message so let me know if you receive it.
>Christine
>
>At 09:18 PM 28/08/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>It does not matter who one believes in, what matters is the way we live
our
>>lives.  Wanted to tell you the last time there was a big discussion about
>>Religions, the mol group divided and we lost some molers over it.  It was
too
>>funny.  I can't emagine anyone getting so riled....how are you doing
>friend?  Sent
>>another ICQ request to you and got the message you turned me down yet
>again!  Have
>>a great weekend. Your friend, Lillian
>>Christine White wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I may as well put my two cents worth in. I, too,  went to church
>>> until I was about 20. I was confirmed in the United Church. Then we
moved
>>> to Ontario and have never found a church I like. I try to live by the 10
>>> commandments and be a good person but certainly have not found the faith
>>> that so many people here on MOL have so neither of you have to feel
alone
>>> in your views.
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> At 06:56 AM 28/08/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>> >Dear Vicci,
>>> >You have just put into words my feelings about religion. I was raised
>to go
>>> >to church every Sunday and to learn the articles of faith and all the
>>> >commandments and the Christian rules and regulations, but I never "Saw
the
>>> >Light." And I still don't. Interestingly enough I believe in the
Christian
>>> >philosophy "Love thy Neighbor as thyself". And I never knowingly take
>>> >unfair advantage of anyone or do others wrong (maybe that's why I'll
never
>>> >have any money), but I don't have the kind of religious conviction that
>>> >allows me to place all my faith and trust in God. Maybe I am a control
>>> >freak, but I have always run  my own life and taken responsibility for
my
>>> >own actions.
>>> >
>>> >I wish I could just hand my problems over to God and trust that all is
>>> >well, but I can't. Now I don't feel so alone in my views.
>>> >
>>> >Liz P.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Dear Joicy,
>>> >>Wow.....how do I answer this?  First of all I would never take offense
>from
>>> >>a friend trying to help, especially you.  You wrote a very caring and
>>> >>inspirational letter and I thank you.  I guess I just don't know how
>to do
>>> >>what your asking.  As a child I went to a little Protestant church in
our
>>> >>neighborhood and had fun and put my little quarter in the basket with
my
>>> >>brothers.  Then I started going to the Mormon church with the two
girls
>>> >>next door.  When I was old enough to stand up and give my testimonial
I
>>> >>quit.  I learned scriptures and verses and went till about 15 years of
>age.
>>> >> Got that far before I was being encouraged to testify.  I guess that
>>> >>scared me.  Not wanting to talk to a group of people.  I've heard the
>>> >>phrase, "Let go, Let God"  Most of the people I know that go to church
>>> >>preach the word but don't live the word.  And many others I don't know
>>> >>personally don't live up to what I assume they are being taught in the
>>> >>church.  I know it's not fair to pray only when you need something
very
>>> >>badly but I find a comfort in living my life as best I can without
>hurting
>>> >>others.  I try to think before saying a hurtful thing.  I try to put
>myself
>>> >>in the other persons shoes before criticizing.  I'm not making excuses
>but
>>> >>I just haven't felt the thing you have felt about going with God.  I'm
>>> >>definetly open to it.  But what do I do, go to church and hope it
>happens?
>>> >>It makes me very uncomfortable when people start talking religion and
I
>>> >>know how they lead their lives.  I've often thought I would take my
>>> >>granddaughter and go down the street to the little church.  Give it a
>try.
>>> >>Maybe I will.  How come it's so easy for some to just all of a sudden,
>>> >>believe?  Why is it so hard for some of us.  I do believe in a higher
>power
>>> >>but sometimes I just think about the karma of a situation and that's
>enough
>>> >>to make me change something.  Like not throwing my gum out the car
window
>>> >>because I know gum will come into my life somehow.  I'll step in it or
>the
>>> >>car in front of me will sling it up on my car.  I'm not making light
of
>>> >>this, I'm telling you exactly how I think about things.  I don't step
on
>>> >>ants, intentionally.  I always let a driver pull in my lane.  Just
stupid
>>> >>little things.  I'm probably not getting the drift of what you're
>trying to
>>> >>tell me but I swear I just don't understand.  I've often thought how
easy
>>> >>it would be to have some help....so why doesn't it come?  Why aren't I
>hit
>>> >>over the head, being I'm so hardheaded.  It sure would be easier than
>>> >>trying to handle all this myself.  Maybe I'm a control freak.  Sounds
>like
>>> >>it took some convincing on your part also.  Maybe I will get that book
>and
>>> >>write a few things down.  Just to see what happens.  Just don't give
>up on
>>> >>me, Joicy!  Where there's a will, there's a way, huh?  Love you!
Vicci
>>> >>
>>> >>----------
>>> >>> From: Joicy Becker-Richards <joicy@erols.com>
>>> >>> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [MOL] The Meaning of Serenity
>>> >>> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 6:43 PM
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dear Vicci,
>>> >>> With all that is going on in your life these days, I'm not surprised
>>> >>> you're feeling kind of shaky, dear friend. And when everything is
>>> >>> stirred up, it is so hard to find perspective. Unfortunately, there
is
>>> >>> no easy fix -- though folks will always hunt for it in meds, drugs,
>>> >>> alcohol, money, etc., etc. Speaking from personal experience, I've
>found
>>> >>> only one source for that kind of serenity: knowing that there is
higher
>>> >>> power with a plan... I tried for so long to "do it all" on my own,
with
>>> >>> disasterous results. Finally, in desperation, I gave up and
literally
>>> >>> issued God a challenge: "Ok, you think you can do better with my
life?
>>> >>> Go for it! But I'm keeping notes!" And I did -- and he did. I mean,
I
>>> >>> really put him to the test -- as things went wrong, or I needed
help,
>>> >>> I'd make note of it in a journal, and then watch to see how he'd
>resolve
>>> >>> it. What amazed me is that I was always willing to settle for
mediocre
>>> >>> solutions, when God wanted to give me the best -- his answers always
>>> >>> exceed my expectations.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Oh, the stories I could tell... But the real test came 3 years ago
as I
>>> >>> sat in a bath, dicovered a lump, and knew I had breast cancer. And
in
>>> >>> spite of it, like the mother bird in the story, I felt an impossible
>>> >>> serenity, "the peace that passes all understanding," as the
scriptures
>>> >>> describe it. And that feeling stayed with me, even during the worst
of
>>> >>> it, with bad reactions to chemo, etc. We have a very powerful God.
It's
>>> >>> tough turning things loose to him, but wow! the things that happen
when
>>> >>> you do!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyhow I share this with you as a friend, with love and concern for
all
>>> >>> you're going through, and the hope I haven't offended. You and your
>>> >>> family continue to be in my prayers. Love, Joicy
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Vicci Ewen wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Oh to feel serene like that mother bird.  I kinda feel shaky most
of
>>> >>the
>>> >>> > time lately.
>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you'd like to be
removed
>>> >>from the mailing list, please visit the Medicine-On-Line Discussion
Forum
>>> >>at <http://www.meds.com/con_faq.html>, or send an email message to:
>>> >>majordomo@lists.meds.com
>>> >>with the subject line blank and the body of the message containing the
>line:
>>> >>unsubscribe mol-cancer your-email-address
>>> >>where the phrase your-email-address is replaced with your actual email
>>> >>address.
>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Liz P. Of Yakima
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you'd like to be removed
>>> >from the mailing list, please visit the Medicine-On-Line Discussion
Forum
>>> >at <http://www.meds.com/con_faq.html>, or send an email message to:
>>> >majordomo@lists.meds.com
>>> >with the subject line blank and the body of the message containing the
>line:
>>> >unsubscribe mol-cancer your-email-address
>>> >where the phrase your-email-address is replaced with your actual email
>>> >address.
>>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you'd like to be removed
>>> from the mailing list, please visit the Medicine-On-Line Discussion
Forum
>>> at <http://www.meds.com/con_faq.html>, or send an email message to:
>>> majordomo@lists.meds.com
>>> with the subject line blank and the body of the message containing the
>line:
>>> unsubscribe mol-cancer your-email-address
>>> where the phrase your-email-address is replaced with your actual email
>>> address.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you'd like to be removed
>>from the mailing list, please visit the Medicine-On-Line Discussion Forum
>>at <http://www.meds.com/con_faq.html>, or send an email message to:
>>majordomo@lists.meds.com
>>with the subject line blank and the body of the message containing the
line:
>>unsubscribe mol-cancer your-email-address
>>where the phrase your-email-address is replaced with your actual email
>>address.
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you'd like to be removed
>from the mailing list, please visit the Medicine-On-Line Discussion Forum
>at <http://www.meds.com/con_faq.html>, or send an email message to:
>majordomo@lists.meds.com
>with the subject line blank and the body of the message containing the
line:
>unsubscribe mol-cancer your-email-address
>where the phrase your-email-address is replaced with your actual email
>address.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you'd like to be removed
from the mailing list, please visit the Medicine-On-Line Discussion Forum
at <http://www.meds.com/con_faq.html>, or send an email message to:
majordomo@lists.meds.com
with the subject line blank and the body of the message containing the line:
unsubscribe mol-cancer your-email-address
where the phrase your-email-address is replaced with your actual email
address.
------------------------------------------------------------------------