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And God Bless you Marty for the uplifting, compassionate message.  I find
that I have days when I feel so depressed over having gone through this and
my husband has always relied on me to be the strong one.  I am going to
print this for him and for me and pray that God gives us the strength to
live as you and your wife have.  Thank you.  Carla....
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Auslander <fitecancer@earthlink.net>
To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
Cc: debbie@int-usa.net <debbie@int-usa.net>
Date: Sunday, December 28, 1997 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MOL] reply to Lillian and Walter


>Dear Lillian and Walter,
>
>Lillian your reply and messager to WAlter touched me deeply. The words
>were so compassionate, sincere, and it is near what any mortal could say
>without coming from God. In other words it was human perfection.  I
>believe we all have asked the same questions when we lose loved ones or
>about to lose those we deeply are devoted to. And of course we question
>and feel the emotions that surround these questions, because we can't
>seem to get the right answers especially when these souls are taken from
>us what we feel is too early an age or time when we feel that we need
>them the most.  I have heard many answers, such as "it is lifes cycle",
>or that "human beings have a mission on earth and they feel their
>mission is completed ", or that "God needs them more than we do". There
>are many what we perceive to be answers to try and give us hope and
>positive beliefs about why they are taken from us. But the fact is we
>don't know or can't fathom. We would like to believe that it is for the
>best, somehow, but we have been with them for so long in a bond and
>friendship and relationship that seems to be everlasting. It is the
>everlasting part that is not the fact. Life is not everlasting, but yet
>we tend to want to hold onto our Mothers, our Fathers, our loved ones
>because they are our security, our comfort, the love they have given
>us.  I, like many, would like to believe they will be in a better place,
>happier, healthier, not suffering, looking down at us and still
>comforting us when we are in need. In fact I do believe that. WAlter, as
>far as your Mother or anyone that is still with us, I will tell you,
>from the bottom of my heart, you don't let nature take its course, you
>just never, ever give up. As long as we have them, we as human beings
>also have a duty and a vow to God, just like medics do with their
>hepocratic oaths to keep human beings livings as long as they can. As
>long as we believe in miracles, then we  as human beings must do what we
>can to find ways, conventional and alternative and to keep faith and
>HOPE that miracles do occur. I know that for a fact. I have been married
>to a miracle for 29 years and counting.  WE just don't know what the
>answer is about loss or losing someone, but we do know that as long as
>that individual breathes and wants to breathe and live, we must never
>give up, spiritually, emotionally, physically to find some means to seek
>out that miracle, that method to bring them longer quality life.
>
>Walter, I as a human being just don't know what the answer is about
>letting go, I only know that as long as you have her, give her as much
>positive energy as you can, even though it hurts you. Besides giving her
>comfort, compassion, there must be ways for you to research, other
>opinions seek out alternatives, and there are many. HOPE comes in many
>forms and maybe this time of the year will be one for your Mother.
>
>God Bless YOu Lillian for your compassionate message to Walter. And God
>Bless You Walter for your emotional and spiritual needs and most of all
>the strength to pass onto your Mother. WE will certainly pray for your
>guidance and her recovery.
>
>Marty Auslander
>
>
>
>firefly wrote:
>>
>> We are all truly sorry to hear about the condition of your mother.  I
>> believe in quality of life.  To keep someone going in pain, or hooked up,
>> just is inhumane to me.  I had to loose my mother and then her sister and
>> believe me, tho not easy, I promise you'll feel better that you did not
>> prolong any suffering.  The baby may keep her hanging in there, us
>> grandmothers really have a thing for our grandchildren.  My mother used
to
>> say to me "God takes a life and gives another life".
>> My prayers are with all of you, especially those who must stand by.  Let
us
>> know how things are going. Lillian
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WALTER ENGDAHL <engdahl@worldnet.att.net>
>> To: mol-cancer@lists.meds.com <mol-cancer@lists.meds.com>
>> Date: Sunday, December 28, 1997 12:38 AM
>> Subject: [MOL] (no subject)
>>
>> >Hello out there. I have been going through all of your messages for the
>> >past month or so. I am amazed at the strength and stamina maintained by
>> >each of you and you families, and I entend my deepest empathy to those
>> >going through this journey. I hope your outcomes are nothing but
>> >triumphant.
>> >
>> >My mother has a osteosarcoma in her pelvis. After going through two
>> >surgeries and a year of chemo, the tumors are now deemed inoperable and
>> >untreatable. I will not give depressing details, but let's just say it's
>> >apparent that time is very quickly running out on us. Although my entire
>> >family has never lost hope and faith, I am afraid that we have
>> >realistically passed the point of a miracle. I want to keep encouraging
>> >my mother to try new or alternative treatments (especially since I am
>> >four months pregnant with her first grandchild), but I also want her to
>> >be happy and comfortable during whatever time she has left. Therefore, I
>> >only seek one bit of advice from anyone who has gone or is going through
>> >the trauma of watching a loved one quickly fade away: At what point do
>> >you just let nature take its course and how do you deal with that?
>> >--
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